Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

[Garvin]

Mr Penguin said:

bhstewie said:

Encouragement is something I would support and that's where you're back to the bare cheek of encouraging younger people to volunteer to "give something back" after years decimating youth services and taking away so much from them.

It's the social contract thing.

As I asked above if you're 18-24 can someone give me a single reason you would vote for this lot?

I didn't use the term give something back, but at 18 they have had 4 years of pre-school then 14 years of formal education and mostly contributed nothing to society (obviously the expectation is that they do so for the next 50 years). If you want to make life a set of transactions where you extract as much as you can from others, then children have a good deal - youth clubs or no youth clubs.

I'd make this policy for people of all ages, perhaps do 200 hours of "civic duty" every five years (age 21-25, 26-30 etc). Older people have a different set of skills that are useful too.

I think society, on the whole, no longer think in these terms i.e. what can I do to help community/society rather it’s more of what can I extract (that others have to provide).

On BS’s question one has to ask what reason are any party giving for the 18-24 group to vote for apart from the tired ‘not the current lot’? Then you look at the NEETs and wonder what sort of credible social contract can possibly be drawn up with/for them?

[hidetheelephants]

Derek Smith said:

Derek Smith said:

Middle 70s here. When my wife told me I thought it one of her little jokes. Knowing how stupid this lot was, I checked online. Still had trouble believing it. She's recorded KKwatang on a news programme for me. I think I'll enjoy his justification more than the Monaco GP.

Bizarre.

Just seen the recording.

Bizarre just doesn't cover it. Scary though. Walking amongst us is bad enough, but he was in the cabinet.

Well worth digging out the farce if you can. And if you don't want to sleep at night.

He was chancellor to Lettuce Truss. That happened. The membership want her as leader again, their thoughts on KK were not revealed.

[Mr Penguin]

Garvin said:

I think society, on the whole, no longer think in these terms i.e. what can I do to help community/society rather it’s more of what can I extract (that others have to provide).

On BS’s question one has to ask what reason are any party giving for the 18-24 group to vote for apart from the tired ‘not the current lot’? Then you look at the NEETs and wonder what sort of credible social contract can possibly be drawn up with/for them?

The Conservatives did cut the deficit and debt to gdp until 2019, which is money that 18-24 year olds would have had to eventually pay back. Obviously it shot up during Covid and Ukraine and it needs to be brought under control, but spending always goes up in a crisis (I am not justifying all the spending).

Voting should be about the policies of the next five years, not the last, although it is sensible to look at past record to see what you think they will do next. I guess it depends on whether you think the Conservatives will not elect a Liz Truss again or whether Labour can keep spending under control despite promising not to raise taxes and past record. It's unlikely that both would keep spending down or raise taxes to pay for the excess and I don't really trust either to do it.

Youth unemployment is far too high and given how easy it is to get an unskilled job or apprenticeship in a trade there is no excuse for most young people to be NEET. There are no adverse economic conditions and you can go to uni as long as you get the grades.

[119]

How much money have we 'given' Ukraine and Israel so far?

[S600BSB]

119 said:

How much money have we 'given' Ukraine and Israel so far?

Wrong thread?

[hidetheelephants]

119 said:

How much money have we 'given' Ukraine and Israel so far?

We don't give Israel anything as far as I know. UK-Ukraine donations are just over 9 bn euros so far, of which 3.3 is financial assistance.

[B'stard Child]

119 said:

How much money have we 'given' Ukraine and Israel so far?

Israel can look after itself and probably has - not aware of any money going that way

Ukraine - not enough - I'd be quite happy if we gave them our last tank, shell and bullet as I don't think we face too many threats from Europe invading any time soon and if Argentina fk about again we still have a Navy to go and sort that st show out

[Killboy]

119 said:

Do you really not bother to read anything?

Or is it that you perhaps don't understand the bigger words?


Let me help...


As it stands, they will be able to apply to join the military for twelve months.

OR

Work in various other roles for 25 days over the course of a year.

What's stopping you from doing either?

[Killboy]

Mr Penguin said:

The civic duty option is 25 days, assuming 8 hour days that makes 200 hours. IMO it should be spread out over a few years and done as hours rather than days.

For me:

• I am applying to be a school governor -

WTF is a school governor?

[Mr Penguin]

Killboy said:

WTF is a school governor?

https://governorsforschools.org.uk/about-the-role/

[119]

Killboy said:

119 said:

Do you really not bother to read anything?

Or is it that you perhaps don't understand the bigger words?


Let me help...


As it stands, they will be able to apply to join the military for twelve months.

OR

Work in various other roles for 25 days over the course of a year.

What's stopping you from doing either?

Probably my age!

[Mr Penguin]

You can join the Army Reserve up to 43, other volunteering things have no upper age limit.

[Killboy]

Mr Penguin said:

Killboy said:

WTF is a school governor?

https://governorsforschools.org.uk/about-the-role/

Wow. That copy could be mostly the same for a ski chalet host.

[Killboy]

119 said:

Probably my age!

You're too old to volunteer and do community service?

[Mr Penguin]

Killboy said:

Wow. That copy could be mostly the same for a ski chalet host.

Pretty much identical, except for all the differences.

[Killboy]

Mr Penguin said:

Killboy said:

Wow. That copy could be mostly the same for a ski chalet host.

Pretty much identical, except for all the differences.

Good luck. Luckily I don't have to ask which school this would be at.

[S600BSB]

119 said:

Killboy said:

119 said:

Do you really not bother to read anything?

Or is it that you perhaps don't understand the bigger words?


Let me help...


As it stands, they will be able to apply to join the military for twelve months.

OR

Work in various other roles for 25 days over the course of a year.

What's stopping you from doing either?

Probably my age!

You do come over as a Dad’s Army type, so give it time and I am sure they will come up with something for you!

[abzmike]

So this nonsense is now being touted as a requirement for recruitment to the public sector… the administration will be absurd - except it won’t, because it’s never going to happen.

[119]

Killboy said:

119 said:

Probably my age!

You're too old to volunteer and do community service?

Probably not.

What CS do you take part in?

[xeny]

Mr Penguin said:

The Conservatives did cut the deficit and debt to gdp until 2019, which is money that 18-24 year olds would have had to eventually pay back. Obviously it shot up during Covid and Ukraine and it needs to be brought under control, but spending always goes up in a crisis (I am not justifying all the spending).
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This is the first graph I found. Is "infinitesimally" a useful addition to the first sentence?