Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

[blueg33]

119 said:

To- may- to. Tomato

Anyway I gotta get on and mow the paddock.

Play nice kids!

You need sheep. That’s what we use. We let to a farmer, he puts sheep on it, then lets the grass grow then cuts for hay. Input from me - nil. Farmer pays enough for us to have a couple of decent meals.

[Leithen]

blueg33 said:

You need sheep. That’s what we use. We let to a farmer, he puts sheep on it, then lets the grass grow then cuts for hay. Input from me - nil. Farmer pays enough for us to have a couple of decent meals.

How good is your fencing?

[blueg33]

Leithen said:

blueg33 said:

You need sheep. That’s what we use. We let to a farmer, he puts sheep on it, then lets the grass grow then cuts for hay. Input from me - nil. Farmer pays enough for us to have a couple of decent meals.

How good is your fencing?

It’s good enough. Plus farmer runs an electric fence just inside.

Somehow, lambs are good escape artists!

[119]

blueg33 said:

You need sheep. That’s what we use. We let to a farmer, he puts sheep on it, then lets the grass grow then cuts for hay. Input from me - nil. Farmer pays enough for us to have a couple of decent meals.

Actually this is something we had been thinking about until we started watching Clarkson farm.



Anyway I gotta get on!

[Mr Penguin]

Killboy said:

So avoid the things that actually effect them the most? Lol

Yeah, nobody wants to talk about university fees because the alternative is fewer people going to uni (unpopular), that money staying on the government's books (expensive), or reopening old wounds (Lib Dems).
Lab+Con want to avoid Brexit because it still splits their parties and voters, the Lib Dems lost that argument, it makes Scottish independence much riskier than before, and most people in the country associate Brexit debates with the mess of 2017-19, which they have bad memories of and don't want to reopen.

That plan for getting the youth vote to switch to the Conservatives would take two or three elections to work because its a fundamental shift and cause a 1906 style wipeout this year, which is why they won't do it.

[Killboy]

Mr Penguin said:

Yeah, nobody wants to talk about university fees because the alternative is fewer people going to uni (unpopular), that money staying on the government's books (expensive), or reopening old wounds (Lib Dems).
Lab+Con want to avoid Brexit because it still splits their parties and voters, the Lib Dems lost that argument, it makes Scottish independence much riskier than before, and most people in the country associate Brexit debates with the mess of 2017-19, which they have bad memories of and don't want to reopen.

That plan for getting the youth vote to switch to the Conservatives would take two or three elections to work because its a fundamental shift and cause a 1906 style wipeout this year, which is why they won't do it.

I'll be very interested to see if the youth ever switch to conservative. Not everything repeats itself.

I'd also suggest treating the youth with some respect and having a proper conversation with them, rather than deciding you know better and what they should do with their futures.

[bitchstewie]

Parents could be fined if children refuse to do National Service, suggests minister

Bonkers on every single level.

[chrispmartha]

bhstewie said:

Parents could be fined if children refuse to do National Service, suggests minister

Bonkers on every single level.

How can one adult be fined for something another adult chooses to do or not.

As ever with these stupid fag packet policies, they are impractical and won’t work, I say work im not even sure what its actually meant to achieve

[borcy]

In fairness the headline doesn't really match what she said.

Usual press rubbish, don't rule everything out that's put to you then it's a possibility even if it's obviously stupid.

[Dingu]

Killboy said:

I'll be very interested to see if the youth ever switch to conservative. Not everything repeats itself.

I'd also suggest treating the youth with some respect and having a proper conversation with them, rather than deciding you know better and what they should do with their futures.

There is already signs they aren’t. It would take a lot for me to vote conservative, the decisions of the last 15 years should live long in the memory and frankly they can’t be trusted.

I hope there is massive turnout for Labour amongst younger voters following the latest election promise to teach them a hard lesson. It could make 97 look like a slight inconvenience and it would be fully deserved.

It would also help balance the policy making so it didn’t favour older people as much. The country would be far better for it. Want engaged young people? Don’t fk them over with policy and it might get somewhere. Want national service like Norway? Fine. But also provide the free education all the way, subsidised housing, youth services, health services etc. As usual the tories are all take take take and no give.

Edited by Dingu on Monday 27th May 12:31

[Wombat3]

Dingu said:

Killboy said:

I'll be very interested to see if the youth ever switch to conservative. Not everything repeats itself.

I'd also suggest treating the youth with some respect and having a proper conversation with them, rather than deciding you know better and what they should do with their futures.

There is already signs they aren’t. It would take a lot for me to vote conservative, the decisions of the last 15 years should live long in the memory and frankly they can’t be trusted.

I hope there is massive turnout for Labour amongst younger voters following the latest election promise to teach them a hard lesson. It could make 97 look like a slight inconvenience and it would be fully deserved.

It would also help balance the policy making so it didn’t favour older people as much. The country would be far better for it. Want engaged young people? Don’t fk them over with policy and it might get somewhere. Want national service like Norway? Fine. But also provide the free education all the way, subsidised housing, youth services, health services etc. As usual the tories are all take take take and no give.

Edited by Dingu on Monday 27th May 12:31

It all ends up back at money and there is not enough of it available.

The tax burden is as high as its ever been, the top 10% pay something like 60% of the income tax take already, SDLT is already a significant barrier to mobility (and driver of ever escalating house prices IMO), IHT receipts are heading towards £9-£10Bn, Corporation tax rates are more or less in line with many other developed economies (some higher, some lower), cost of employing people is high.

I'm not sure where you are going to get significantly more from.

[Dingu]

Wombat3 said:

Dingu said:

Killboy said:

I'll be very interested to see if the youth ever switch to conservative. Not everything repeats itself.

I'd also suggest treating the youth with some respect and having a proper conversation with them, rather than deciding you know better and what they should do with their futures.

There is already signs they aren’t. It would take a lot for me to vote conservative, the decisions of the last 15 years should live long in the memory and frankly they can’t be trusted.

I hope there is massive turnout for Labour amongst younger voters following the latest election promise to teach them a hard lesson. It could make 97 look like a slight inconvenience and it would be fully deserved.

It would also help balance the policy making so it didn’t favour older people as much. The country would be far better for it. Want engaged young people? Don’t fk them over with policy and it might get somewhere. Want national service like Norway? Fine. But also provide the free education all the way, subsidised housing, youth services, health services etc. As usual the tories are all take take take and no give.

Edited by Dingu on Monday 27th May 12:31

It all ends up back at money and there is not enough of it available.

The tax burden is as high as its ever been, the top 10% pay something like 60% of the income tax take already, SDLT is already a significant barrier to mobility (and driver of ever escalating house prices IMO), IHT receipts are heading towards £9-£10Bn, Corporation tax rates are more or less in line with many other developed economies (some higher, some lower), cost of employing people is high.

I'm not sure where you are going to get significantly more from.

That’s a very lazy excuse to fk an entire generation over. There’s lots of money, it’s just wasted on old people. Triple lock should be gone, there is no money for it.

If you ever complain about younger generations remember you are the problem.

[Killboy]

Wombat3 said:

It all ends up back at money and there is not enough of it available.

The tax burden is as high as its ever been, the top 10% pay something like 60% of the income tax take already, SDLT is already a significant barrier to mobility (and driver of ever escalating house prices IMO), IHT receipts are heading towards £9-£10Bn, Corporation tax rates are more or less in line with many other developed economies (some higher, some lower), cost of employing people is high.

I'm not sure where you are going to get significantly more from.

Time to trim the pension pot

[bitchstewie]

Dingu said:

That’s a very lazy excuse to fk an entire generation over. There’s lots of money, it’s just wasted on old people. Triple lock should be gone, there is no money for it.

If you ever complain about younger generations remember you are the problem.

Nah keep the triple lock old people have all worked really hard so they're entitled to it.

The younger generation just need to lose their sense of entitlement and work harder like older people did.

[119]

Dingu said:

That’s a very lazy excuse to fk an entire generation over. There’s lots of money, it’s just wasted on old people. Triple lock should be gone, there is no money for it.

If you ever complain about younger generations remember you are the problem.

Old people are the problem?

I bet your folks are well chuffed at that.

[Killboy]

Dingu said:

That’s a very lazy excuse to fk an entire generation over. There’s lots of money, it’s just wasted on old people. Triple lock should be gone, there is no money for it.

If you ever complain about younger generations remember you are the problem.

Bingo.

And means test pensions too.

[Dingu]

119 said:

Dingu said:

That’s a very lazy excuse to fk an entire generation over. There’s lots of money, it’s just wasted on old people. Triple lock should be gone, there is no money for it.

If you ever complain about younger generations remember you are the problem.

Old people are the problem?

I bet your folks are well chuffed at that.

It’s fact.

Just because you are incapable of independent thought doesn’t mean we all are.

My generation didn’t vote for lower taxes every election while time was good. Or vote for Brexit which further ruined the country. The older generation did. Who else is responsible? Thought Tory brown nosers were big on personal responsibility? Perhaps not

Edited by Dingu on Monday 27th May 13:15

[turbobloke]

Dingu said:

Wombat3 said:

Dingu said:

Killboy said:

I'll be very interested to see if the youth ever switch to conservative. Not everything repeats itself.

I'd also suggest treating the youth with some respect and having a proper conversation with them, rather than deciding you know better and what they should do with their futures.

There is already signs they aren’t. It would take a lot for me to vote conservative, the decisions of the last 15 years should live long in the memory and frankly they can’t be trusted.

I hope there is massive turnout for Labour amongst younger voters following the latest election promise to teach them a hard lesson. It could make 97 look like a slight inconvenience and it would be fully deserved.

It would also help balance the policy making so it didn’t favour older people as much. The country would be far better for it. Want engaged young people? Don’t fk them over with policy and it might get somewhere. Want national service like Norway? Fine. But also provide the free education all the way, subsidised housing, youth services, health services etc. As usual the tories are all take take take and no give.

Edited by Dingu on Monday 27th May 12:31

It all ends up back at money and there is not enough of it available.

The tax burden is as high as its ever been, the top 10% pay something like 60% of the income tax take already, SDLT is already a significant barrier to mobility (and driver of ever escalating house prices IMO), IHT receipts are heading towards £9-£10Bn, Corporation tax rates are more or less in line with many other developed economies (some higher, some lower), cost of employing people is high.

I'm not sure where you are going to get significantly more from.

That’s a very lazy excuse to fk an entire generation over. There’s lots of money, it’s just wasted on old people. Triple lock should be gone, there is no money for it.

If you ever complain about younger generations remember you are the problem.

Assertion over what 'the problem is. that's another problem.

Engaging with the younger generation, thanks to Blair's education drive aka grade inflation drive, will in far too many instances require a gruntspeak translator, It's an issue with far greater reach than voting intentions.

Link said:

SafeToNet was founded in 2013. At the best of times, communicating to a teenager is a challenge. Teenagers learn the art of ‘gruntspeak’ very early on – and ‘gruntspeak’ when they’ve got their head in a phone, and you’ve got no way of communicating with them.

Click

From the same era - efforts have been made with little success over time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24522...

Sunak attempting communicating with the average 16-year old would be quite an interesting exercise, Starmer likewise.

[Wombat3]

Killboy said:

Wombat3 said:

It all ends up back at money and there is not enough of it available.

The tax burden is as high as its ever been, the top 10% pay something like 60% of the income tax take already, SDLT is already a significant barrier to mobility (and driver of ever escalating house prices IMO), IHT receipts are heading towards £9-£10Bn, Corporation tax rates are more or less in line with many other developed economies (some higher, some lower), cost of employing people is high.

I'm not sure where you are going to get significantly more from.

Time to trim the pension pot

OK

Suggest start with the public sector gold plated DB schemes (the like of which have been recognised as utterly unaffordable everywhere else for years - typical employer's contributions are 25-30%),

The Triple lock is all that has kept many pensioners heads above water, its the wrong place to be looking for significant savings.

Of course they could also look to fk over the private pension schemes again (See G Brown) but that might not end well given the number of people that are now dependent on them (but that will be a problem for another day/parliament).

It will of course be the third one that Labour go after if they do it.

Edited by Wombat3 on Monday 27th May 13:25

[119]

Dingu said:

119 said:

Dingu said:

That’s a very lazy excuse to fk an entire generation over. There’s lots of money, it’s just wasted on old people. Triple lock should be gone, there is no money for it.

If you ever complain about younger generations remember you are the problem.

Old people are the problem?

I bet your folks are well chuffed at that.

It’s fact.

Just because you are incapable of independent thought doesn’t mean we all are.

My generation didn’t vote for lower taxes every election while time was good. Or vote for Brexit which further ruined the country. The older generation did. Who else is responsible? Thought Tory brown nosers were big on personal responsibility? Perhaps not

Edited by Dingu on Monday 27th May 13:15

What's it got to do with 'Tory brown nosers'?


Anyway, i guess you have everything in place for you and your partner to help reduce the burden for future generations?