Israel invaded

[Wills2]

NRS said:

Oliver Hardy said:

M5-911 said:

MrJuice said:

I wonder if mods will delete this clearly defamatory nonsense

You might need to read the Hadiths that the Hamas followers follow closely before making assumptions.

Both sides will never give up. End off.

Israel will never give up defending the land it has, although it has been willing to give up land acquired following conflicts when it was attacked.

That is not to say the way they have gone about it is brutal, however when dealing with terrorist that hide among civilians, who use hospitals as cover, how do you deal with them?

When the other side keeps blowing up your kids as collateral damage how do you deal with that? You don’t stop terrorists by blowing people and houses up creating more terrorists you need to kill later, and repeating again and again. You also don’t fund money to the extremists if you want peace either.

And when the other side votes in an organisation whose sole purpose is the destruction of the Jewish race and they set about murdering thousands of innocent men women and children you create the same reaction as you mention above.

[Oliver Hardy]

NRS said:

Oliver Hardy said:

M5-911 said:

MrJuice said:

I wonder if mods will delete this clearly defamatory nonsense

You might need to read the Hadiths that the Hamas followers follow closely before making assumptions.

Both sides will never give up. End off.

Israel will never give up defending the land it has, although it has been willing to give up land acquired following conflicts when it was attacked.

That is not to say the way they have gone about it is brutal, however when dealing with terrorist that hide among civilians, who use hospitals as cover, how do you deal with them?

When the other side keeps blowing up your kids as collateral damage how do you deal with that? You don’t stop terrorists by blowing people and houses up creating more terrorists you need to kill later, and repeating again and again. You also don’t fund money to the extremists if you want peace either.

So how do you stop them?

[fido]

NRS said:

When the other side keeps blowing up your kids as collateral damage how do you deal with that?

Well if they are trying to blow you up then it doesn't really matter what they think. The problem is their ideology which either means re-education or assisting them to meet their maker.

[Solocle]

Well, I'm due to fly out at the end of July, so might get more of a first hand view on the situation afterwards

[911hope]

fido said:

Well if they are trying to blow you up then it doesn't really matter what they think. The problem is their ideology which either means re-education or assisting them to meet their maker.

Who is they?

This side or that side?

[andymadmak]

Launching rockets at Tel Aviv from Rafah ( or very nearby depending on which news source you believe) ……leading to the inevitable Israeli response…. Just proves that Hamas has zero regard for its own people.

[Mojooo]

andymadmak said:

Launching rockets at Tel Aviv from Rafah ( or very nearby depending on which news source you believe) ……leading to the inevitable Israeli response…. Just proves that Hamas has zero regard for its own people.

The reality is that many will die before if/when Palestine succeeds in what it wants.

Some might argue the recent war has brought forward the Palestine cause - they are now recognised by 3 countries, have more worldwide visibility/support etc

[M1AGM]

‘Exterminate the beasts’: How Israeli settlers took revenge for a murder in the West Bank

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-69052...

[jshell]

Israel targets a displaced civilians camp and I don't care if Hamas were hiding there, this is not on. Warning: This is not pretty and contains footage of many dead adults and children, both charred and mutilated and missing pieces. Again, you've been warned.

If you click reveal it just gives a link, not straight to images.


https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1794817018706686385

[Glasgowrob]

absolutely horrific,


but the first time Isreal do not respond in kind to any sort of attack all that happens is that Hamas are emboldened and encouraged to continue doing the same thing.


its a sad and horrible tit for tat situation that ends up with only losers on both sides.

[Oliver Hardy]

jshell said:

Israel targets a displaced civilians camp and I don't care if Hamas were hiding there, this is not on. Warning: This is not pretty and contains footage of many dead adults and children, both charred and mutilated and missing pieces. Again, you've been warned.

If you click reveal it just gives a link, not straight to images.


https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1794817018706686385

Obviously you don't, your sat in a comfy chair in the UK, if you have rockets fired at you then you might care,

I read on here that the rockets fired on Israel by Hamas are little more than fireworks.

Here is a creator left by one of the fireworks

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28142913/hamas-launc...

Hamas must bear equal responsibility at minimum, if not greater. surely.

[jshell]

Glasgowrob said:

absolutely horrific,


but the first time Isreal do not respond in kind to any sort of attack all that happens is that Hamas are emboldened and encouraged to continue doing the same thing.


its a sad and horrible tit for tat situation that ends up with only losers on both sides.

They've responded, then some more. They keep responding. Oct 7th was despicable and deserved a firm, robust response but what we see here now is waaaaay beyond reasonable. I don't like or dislike either side, but what is happening here is the steam-rollering of a whole people.

This has the potential of a much wider conflict.

[jshell]

Oliver Hardy said:

jshell said:

Israel targets a displaced civilians camp and I don't care if Hamas were hiding there, this is not on. Warning: This is not pretty and contains footage of many dead adults and children, both charred and mutilated and missing pieces. Again, you've been warned.

If you click reveal it just gives a link, not straight to images.


https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1794817018706686385

Obviously you don't, your sat in a comfy chair in the UK, if you have rockets fired at you then you might care,

I read on here that the rockets fired on Israel by Hamas are little more than fireworks.

Here is a creator left by one of the fireworks

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28142913/hamas-launc...

Hamas must bear equal responsibility at minimum, if not greater. surely.

There's no excuse for the continued actions where kids are being blown to pieces. None. Israel had a right of response. This is not a justified response.

[Oliver Hardy]

jshell said:

Oliver Hardy said:

jshell said:

Israel targets a displaced civilians camp and I don't care if Hamas were hiding there, this is not on. Warning: This is not pretty and contains footage of many dead adults and children, both charred and mutilated and missing pieces. Again, you've been warned.

If you click reveal it just gives a link, not straight to images.


https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1794817018706686385

Obviously you don't, your sat in a comfy chair in the UK, if you have rockets fired at you then you might care,

I read on here that the rockets fired on Israel by Hamas are little more than fireworks.

Here is a creator left by one of the fireworks

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28142913/hamas-launc...

Hamas must bear equal responsibility at minimum, if not greater. surely.

There's no excuse for the continued actions where kids are being blown to pieces. None. Israel had a right of response. This is not a justified response.

Not entirely disagreeing with you, but how would you have responded?

I think they should have hit military targets in Iran.

[jshell]

Oliver Hardy said:

jshell said:

Oliver Hardy said:

jshell said:

Israel targets a displaced civilians camp and I don't care if Hamas were hiding there, this is not on. Warning: This is not pretty and contains footage of many dead adults and children, both charred and mutilated and missing pieces. Again, you've been warned.

If you click reveal it just gives a link, not straight to images.


https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1794817018706686385

Obviously you don't, your sat in a comfy chair in the UK, if you have rockets fired at you then you might care,

I read on here that the rockets fired on Israel by Hamas are little more than fireworks.

Here is a creator left by one of the fireworks

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28142913/hamas-launc...

Hamas must bear equal responsibility at minimum, if not greater. surely.

There's no excuse for the continued actions where kids are being blown to pieces. None. Israel had a right of response. This is not a justified response.

Not entirely disagreeing with you, but how would you have responded?

I think they should have hit military targets in Iran.

It's very difficult, I'm not sure. But I wouldn't attacked Iran directly with all that comes of that! The whole region would explode.

[PRTVR]

jshell said:

Oliver Hardy said:

jshell said:

Israel targets a displaced civilians camp and I don't care if Hamas were hiding there, this is not on. Warning: This is not pretty and contains footage of many dead adults and children, both charred and mutilated and missing pieces. Again, you've been warned.

If you click reveal it just gives a link, not straight to images.


https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1794817018706686385

Obviously you don't, your sat in a comfy chair in the UK, if you have rockets fired at you then you might care,

I read on here that the rockets fired on Israel by Hamas are little more than fireworks.

Here is a creator left by one of the fireworks

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28142913/hamas-launc...

Hamas must bear equal responsibility at minimum, if not greater. surely.

There's no excuse for the continued actions where kids are being blown to pieces. None. Israel had a right of response. This is not a justified response.

So a policy of surrounding important individuals and equipment with children means they are off limits ?
You do see the problem with that don't you .

[djc206]

So Netanyahu said:

"In Rafah we already evacuated about one million non-combatant residents and despite our outmost effort not to harm non-combatants, something unfortunately went tragically wrong,"

Hmm, the IDF didn’t evacuate people. It told people who have nowhere to go to evacuate. They’re very different things and he needs to be very careful how he phrases stuff like that when the world is watching and scrutinising actions.

[MrJuice]

djc206 said:

So Netanyahu said:

"In Rafah we already evacuated about one million non-combatant residents and despite our outmost effort not to harm non-combatants, something unfortunately went tragically wrong,"

Hmm, the IDF didn’t evacuate people. It told people who have nowhere to go to evacuate. They’re very different things and he needs to be very careful how he phrases stuff like that when the world is watching and scrutinising actions.

Why? What's the world going to do?

He can do whatever he likes. The world can see what he's done in the past 7 months yet he's not a war criminal in the eyes of those with real power. He can bat everything away. His people know it and frankly, everyone knows it.

[PRTVR]

MrJuice said:

Why? What's the world going to do?

He can do whatever he likes. The world can see what he's done in the past 7 months yet he's not a war criminal in the eyes of those with real power. He can bat everything away. His people know it and frankly, everyone knows it.

And yet again what about the actions of Hamas, a terrorist organisation that ignores all normal rules of war, are they not ultimately responsible ?

[djc206]

PRTVR said:

MrJuice said:

Why? What's the world going to do?

He can do whatever he likes. The world can see what he's done in the past 7 months yet he's not a war criminal in the eyes of those with real power. He can bat everything away. His people know it and frankly, everyone knows it.

And yet again what about the actions of Hamas, a terrorist organisation that ignores all normal rules of war, are they not ultimately responsible ?

Whataboutism is bullst. The crimes of one party do not excuse the crimes of another. Otherwise gang warfare would just be fair play. The Hamas lead attack on 7/10 was abhorrent in the extreme, the criminal holding of hostages in abhorrent, the launching of rockets at civilians is abhorrent but precisely none of those things excuses crimes on the part of Israel, two wrongs and all that jazz.

To answer the OP, the world will start to withdraw its support for Israel at which point it becomes vulnerable since it does not produce sufficient armaments to survive on its own hence the latest round of US aid. Netanyahu is fast approaching a decision making point, there’s a US election coming up, “accidents” if they start putting off voters will evoke a political response from their largest benefactor.