Is this really what it has come to....

Is this really what it has come to....

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heppers75

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3,135 posts

219 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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I have to say I am bloody disgusted!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warw...


Shaw Tarse

31,546 posts

205 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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I heard a bit about this earlier, to be honest had they come into my local they wouldn't have been allowed to buy a drink!


The regulars would have paid smile

CoolC

4,229 posts

216 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Why would a bar have a policy of not serving people in uniform?

Any uniform? a postman? a nurse?

Very strange.

HeatonNorris

1,649 posts

150 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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CoolC said:
Why would a bar have a policy of not serving people in uniform?

Any uniform? a postman? a nurse?

Very strange.
Perhaps they've had problems with members of the armed forces in the past?

(And I'm pretty sure it's illegal to serve a police officer in uniform, too)

GarryA

4,700 posts

166 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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CoolC said:
Why would a bar have a policy of not serving people in uniform?

Any uniform? a postman? a nurse?

Very strange.
The armed forces have regulations stating that they should not enter licensed premises whilst in uniform.

No doubt they'll play on the fact and ruin the landlords life.

King Herald

23,501 posts

218 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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'Company policy not to serve men in uniform'???? WTF is that all about????

They probably serve any scruffy chav yob who walks through the door, but a man serving his country, wearing his uniform proudly, can't get a drink???

CoolC

4,229 posts

216 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Everyday's a school day on here. I'd never heard about either of those regulations, but then I suppose there's no reason why i would have also.

Eric Mc

122,343 posts

267 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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King Herald said:
'Company policy not to serve men in uniform'???? WTF is that all about????

They probably serve any scruffy chav yob who walks through the door, but a man serving his country, wearing his uniform proudly, can't get a drink???
It could be that they make an assumption that anyone in a uniform is on active duty and therefore barred by their employers from drinking whilst in uniform.

Of course, soldiers wear different types of uniforms depending on what they are doing. If they were attending a funeral they were probably wearing a dress uniform and not on official duty. But bar staff would be pretty ignorant of such distinctions.

PJ S

10,842 posts

229 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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Except Eric, the report mentions "tea and/or coffee" being the beverage required to settle their nerves.
Of course, that could be complete and utter codswallop, but that's what was put forward.
In that instance, the staff should've been able to use common sense to allow the purchase of non-alcoholic beverages only.
The mention of a funeral being attended shouldn't be necessary to usurp their uniform policy - just smacks of damage limitation.


Dixie68

3,091 posts

189 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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GarryA said:
The armed forces have regulations stating that they should not enter licensed premises whilst in uniform.

No doubt they'll play on the fact and ruin the landlords life.
Since when? I served on many bases all over the UK and at the end of the day you'd always find people in uniform in the pubs. The only rule I was ever aware of was that you didn't get drunk and make an idiot of yourself whilst in uniform.

GarryA

4,700 posts

166 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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Off to work, but here is the RAF take on it, I am told it is a rule that covers all three forces,

Occasions on which uniform is not to be worn:

b. Visits to licensed premises (including when not consuming alcohol), except when specifically approved by the Chain of Command.



98elise

27,012 posts

163 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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GarryA said:
Off to work, but here is the RAF take on it, I am told it is a rule that covers all three forces,

Occasions on which uniform is not to be worn:

b. Visits to licensed premises (including when not consuming alcohol), except when specifically approved by the Chain of Command.
Never been a problem in the Navy. In fact during basic we had to wear uniform for going out locally (no idea if its the same now). Going out meant pubs.

GadgeS3C

4,516 posts

166 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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Wasn't aware of the forces regulations on this but it seemed a classic case of poor PR to try and back pedal with the "oh, if we'd known they were going to a funeral...". rolleyes

thehawk

9,335 posts

209 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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Eric Mc said:
Of course, soldiers wear different types of uniforms depending on what they are doing. If they were attending a funeral they were probably wearing a dress uniform and not on official duty. But bar staff would be pretty ignorant of such distinctions.
I believe you are wrong on that, certainly when I was in the forces you were essentially 'on-duty' at all times, even when not in uniform, and certainly if you were wearing any type of uniform at all it means you are subject to the regulations. One of which is not being allowed into bars.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

198 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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The article said:
the men had wanted tea or coffee "to calm our nerves"
scratchchin

Jasandjules

70,036 posts

231 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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That Bar is going to have a few problems getting customers in the near future.

The Bar doesn't say that the soldiers had ordered booze though and been refused......

Muska

1,125 posts

184 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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Being local to and working in Coventry this place is well known to have a very poor attitude and terrible door staff who seem to live buy the saying "We don't need to give a reason" Many many stories have come to light since, from a bar staff member who was refused entry on his day off to groups who had someone of ethnic minority with them being turned away. Shaved heads were a no no too. The worst is a chap I work with, who's cousin had been receiving chemo for cancer and had no hair. Denied entry.

Personally, on the day of my sisters graduation we all went there to meet first, all dressed smartly ordering only soft drinks and some sandwiches. When a member of the group came in with a packet of crisps we were all kicked out. The food we ordered had not even arrived. A little harsh I think to eject a group of 10+.

I think they've mistreated the local people so much over the years (and stories do go back years with this poor attitude) and with the latest story being right before armed forces day that will see a parade past this premise they've done irreparable damage to their business and people want to see them close down now.

There is a facebook group with many interesting stories.

edit to add they ordered coffee & tea.

MOTORVATOR

6,993 posts

249 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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Just to take the edge of the pallbearers and attending a funeral.

"during rehearsals"

"couldn't come in as you're in fatigues"

So pallbearer and funeral is irrelevant to the story in my mind. If you wanted a cup of tea go to the cafe.

Dixie68

3,091 posts

189 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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GarryA said:
Off to work, but here is the RAF take on it, I am told it is a rule that covers all three forces,

Occasions on which uniform is not to be worn:

b. Visits to licensed premises (including when not consuming alcohol), except when specifically approved by the Chain of Command.
I was in the RAF for 15 years, those bases I was talking about were RAF stations and it wasn't banned at any of them. Before that I was in the Army and it WAS banned but that was at the height of the IRA conflict and wearing uniform off-base was pretty much banned everywhere. The base commanders tend to treat you like adults and if you play the game you're okay.
ETA: if you're in the RAF too I'd be interested to know where you're stationed that does ban this.

unrepentant

21,302 posts

258 months

Thursday 28th June 2012
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My future son in law is an RAF officer and MP, I will ask him.