What a load of Scallops
Discussion
A bit of a little war is going on between France and the UK over fishing rights. Scallop-draggers are encroaching on each other's areas because of a bumper catch this year. For years the French have sneaked on to UK grounds, while their areas were making a bit of a recovery from overfishing. Now the welly is on the other foot, thing are turning nasty.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/f...
The 12 mile coastal limit for each country is in limbo as the legislation ran out on the 31st Dec.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/ftu/pdf/en/FTU_4.4.3...
E.U. subsidies from 2006, the last year from which figures are traceable, show where most of the money goes. Britain does poorly out of it.
As an aside. When there is a bumper catch of a species of fish in certain fisheries, the New Zealand fishing regulators can change their limits within 8 hours. The E.U. cannot manage to do this in 4 years.
Mini moan over.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/f...
The 12 mile coastal limit for each country is in limbo as the legislation ran out on the 31st Dec.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/ftu/pdf/en/FTU_4.4.3...
E.U. subsidies from 2006, the last year from which figures are traceable, show where most of the money goes. Britain does poorly out of it.
As an aside. When there is a bumper catch of a species of fish in certain fisheries, the New Zealand fishing regulators can change their limits within 8 hours. The E.U. cannot manage to do this in 4 years.
Mini moan over.
The fisheries are f
ked. The militancy of the French and Spanish, plus the 'fairplay' of our fisheries protection boats, causes tension.
Doesn't help that the legal management of the fisheries is appalling, and detrimental in so many ways to the sustainability and preservation of such an important resource.
Of course, in the days of GPS, and transponders, life should of course be easy. Each boat from every country should be required by law to keep transponders on, and electronic logs of every route taken. Nice and easy to manage, if every country actually held their boats to task.
Pretty damn simple to police as well. Fisheries protection compare radar plots with transponders. Any radar point that doesn't show a transponder gets a visit, and proper penalties.
Of course it'll never bloody happen. Luckily my village's fleet are cranberry and don't have the issue as they stay pretty local. However, I worked in what must have been the only pub in the UK that didn't use arcoroc pint glasses, as it was the fisherman's pub, and most wouldn't drink from a French glass! Enmity runs very deep on all sides.
Biggest surprise for me - that trawlers from Scotland are travelling into French waters to fish when the stocks last are apparently abundant (at the moment...) within our own/international waters.
ked. The militancy of the French and Spanish, plus the 'fairplay' of our fisheries protection boats, causes tension. Doesn't help that the legal management of the fisheries is appalling, and detrimental in so many ways to the sustainability and preservation of such an important resource.
Of course, in the days of GPS, and transponders, life should of course be easy. Each boat from every country should be required by law to keep transponders on, and electronic logs of every route taken. Nice and easy to manage, if every country actually held their boats to task.
Pretty damn simple to police as well. Fisheries protection compare radar plots with transponders. Any radar point that doesn't show a transponder gets a visit, and proper penalties.
Of course it'll never bloody happen. Luckily my village's fleet are cranberry and don't have the issue as they stay pretty local. However, I worked in what must have been the only pub in the UK that didn't use arcoroc pint glasses, as it was the fisherman's pub, and most wouldn't drink from a French glass! Enmity runs very deep on all sides.
Biggest surprise for me - that trawlers from Scotland are travelling into French waters to fish when the stocks last are apparently abundant (at the moment...) within our own/international waters.
Jasandjules said:
I'd be quite content to use the Royal Navy to police our grounds. Any non-British boat found in our water is destroyed and the fisherman returned to their country of origin. That should do it.
As I'm sure you're aware, they already do police our grounds! Not sure their RoE are quite that violent though... From conversation with fisherman friends, ours seem more keen on keeping tabs on Brit boats, ensuring they keep to minimum sizes/quotas, whereas the French and Spanish in particular are more concerned with protecting their fleets against others... Like all such comments, there's a pinch of salt to be taken, but it certainly fits with expectation/stereotype....
French attack british last time due to them legally fishing where the french dont like.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/oct/10/...
Wouldnt an easy way to stop all this to be to revoke all the EU fishing rights, meaning the UK that lost most of its own lucrative fishing stock, as the french and spanish then over fished uk waters (EU law allowed them to do it) to the point of lots of uk fishermen went out of business would get their fishing areas back.
Or do a customs run like the Australians do to stop the locals damaging their reefs?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/oct/10/...
Wouldnt an easy way to stop all this to be to revoke all the EU fishing rights, meaning the UK that lost most of its own lucrative fishing stock, as the french and spanish then over fished uk waters (EU law allowed them to do it) to the point of lots of uk fishermen went out of business would get their fishing areas back.
Or do a customs run like the Australians do to stop the locals damaging their reefs?
Sway said:
Biggest surprise for me - that trawlers from Scotland are travelling into French waters to fish when the stocks last are apparently abundant (at the moment...) within our own/international waters.
Sway said:
The fisheries are fked. The militancy of the French and Spanish, plus the 'fairplay' of our fisheries protection boats, causes tension.
Doesn't help that the legal management of the fisheries is appalling, and detrimental in so many ways to the sustainability and preservation of such an important resource.
Of course, in the days of GPS, and transponders, life should of course be easy. Each boat from every country should be required by law to keep transponders on, and electronic logs of every route taken. Nice and easy to manage, if every country actually held their boats to task.
Pretty damn simple to police as well. Fisheries protection compare radar plots with transponders. Any radar point that doesn't show a transponder gets a visit, and proper penalties.
Of course it'll never bloody happen. Luckily my village's fleet are cranberry and don't have the issue as they stay pretty local. However, I worked in what must have been the only pub in the UK that didn't use arcoroc pint glasses, as it was the fisherman's pub, and most wouldn't drink from a French glass! Enmity runs very deep on all sides.
Biggest surprise for me - that trawlers from Scotland are travelling into French waters to fish when the stocks last are apparently abundant (at the moment...) within our own/international waters.
As it happens there was a trial of just such technology... in 1993, GPS and Inmarsat tracking of fishing boats, sponsored by the EEC (as it was then) I know, I developed the positioning and comms software onboard the boats and then to display and analyse the data back at the tracking centre.ked. The militancy of the French and Spanish, plus the 'fairplay' of our fisheries protection boats, causes tension. Doesn't help that the legal management of the fisheries is appalling, and detrimental in so many ways to the sustainability and preservation of such an important resource.
Of course, in the days of GPS, and transponders, life should of course be easy. Each boat from every country should be required by law to keep transponders on, and electronic logs of every route taken. Nice and easy to manage, if every country actually held their boats to task.
Pretty damn simple to police as well. Fisheries protection compare radar plots with transponders. Any radar point that doesn't show a transponder gets a visit, and proper penalties.
Of course it'll never bloody happen. Luckily my village's fleet are cranberry and don't have the issue as they stay pretty local. However, I worked in what must have been the only pub in the UK that didn't use arcoroc pint glasses, as it was the fisherman's pub, and most wouldn't drink from a French glass! Enmity runs very deep on all sides.
Biggest surprise for me - that trawlers from Scotland are travelling into French waters to fish when the stocks last are apparently abundant (at the moment...) within our own/international waters.
It ran for several months, very sucessfully, the MAFF/EEC people could look at operations in real time or analyse the historical data for boats fishing in restricted sectors, at restricted times, for restricted species (the positional data was overlayed onto Admiralty charts which included additional information in restricted limits, areas, etc and they could tell the fishing operation by the track of the vessel, i.e if it was dredging, trawling, long lining etc).
To do it now would be very easy and should be a condition of a permit to fish in European waters, despite being a bit Big Brother, the EEC decided not to roll it out, probably because our continential cousins were rather against it (the only trouble we had during the trial was from a Spanish registered boat).
Interesting, thanks.
I don't personally think it's too Big Brother - unless you count tachos as being equally bad. I don't, the main reason for use can only be benign in my opinion, and I'd imagine there's a potential safety benefit too.
As said, the management of European fisheries is fked. Probably the worst in the world, which is just ridiculous.
Thinking about it, wouldn't this system also reduce the fisheries patrol costs significantly as well through better information and therefore less motoring about the place using up all the diesel?!
I don't personally think it's too Big Brother - unless you count tachos as being equally bad. I don't, the main reason for use can only be benign in my opinion, and I'd imagine there's a potential safety benefit too.
As said, the management of European fisheries is f
ked. Probably the worst in the world, which is just ridiculous. Thinking about it, wouldn't this system also reduce the fisheries patrol costs significantly as well through better information and therefore less motoring about the place using up all the diesel?!
Sway said:
Interesting, thanks.
I don't personally think it's too Big Brother - unless you count tachos as being equally bad. I don't, the main reason for use can only be benign in my opinion, and I'd imagine there's a potential safety benefit too.
As said, the management of European fisheries is fked. Probably the worst in the world, which is just ridiculous.
Thinking about it, wouldn't this system also reduce the fisheries patrol costs significantly as well through better information and therefore less motoring about the place using up all the diesel?!
system would never work... the french and spanish systems would be constantly broken.I don't personally think it's too Big Brother - unless you count tachos as being equally bad. I don't, the main reason for use can only be benign in my opinion, and I'd imagine there's a potential safety benefit too.
As said, the management of European fisheries is f
ked. Probably the worst in the world, which is just ridiculous. Thinking about it, wouldn't this system also reduce the fisheries patrol costs significantly as well through better information and therefore less motoring about the place using up all the diesel?!
Fishermen turning their transponders off is dangerous. I know they want to keep their secret spots to themselves but deaths and accidents happen.
The Condor hi-speed ferry ran down a French fishing boat a couple of years ago. In thick fog and in shipping lanes, he decided to turn his off. Crash!
http://www.channelonline.tv/channelonline/DisplayA...
The Condor hi-speed ferry ran down a French fishing boat a couple of years ago. In thick fog and in shipping lanes, he decided to turn his off. Crash!
http://www.channelonline.tv/channelonline/DisplayA...
Du1point8 said:
Sway said:
Interesting, thanks.
I don't personally think it's too Big Brother - unless you count tachos as being equally bad. I don't, the main reason for use can only be benign in my opinion, and I'd imagine there's a potential safety benefit too.
As said, the management of European fisheries is fked. Probably the worst in the world, which is just ridiculous.
Thinking about it, wouldn't this system also reduce the fisheries patrol costs significantly as well through better information and therefore less motoring about the place using up all the diesel?!
system would never work... the french and spanish systems would be constantly broken.I don't personally think it's too Big Brother - unless you count tachos as being equally bad. I don't, the main reason for use can only be benign in my opinion, and I'd imagine there's a potential safety benefit too.
As said, the management of European fisheries is f
ked. Probably the worst in the world, which is just ridiculous. Thinking about it, wouldn't this system also reduce the fisheries patrol costs significantly as well through better information and therefore less motoring about the place using up all the diesel?!
They'll soon learn to stay away or play nice.
Sway said:
Jasandjules said:
I'd be quite content to use the Royal Navy to police our grounds. Any non-British boat found in our water is destroyed and the fisherman returned to their country of origin. That should do it.
As I'm sure you're aware, they already do police our grounds! Not sure their RoE are quite that violent though... From conversation with fisherman friends, ours seem more keen on keeping tabs on Brit boats, ensuring they keep to minimum sizes/quotas, whereas the French and Spanish in particular are more concerned with protecting their fleets against others... Like all such comments, there's a pinch of salt to be taken, but it certainly fits with expectation/stereotype....
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