Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
Blib said:
Is it warm in here? Or, is it me?
Maybe somebody has turned up the GCH while they still can There's some detailed discussion of the Mann case over at CA for anyone interested, it looks like Steve M is also keeping the heat on:
http://climateaudit.org/2014/12/22/oral-argument-1...
Meanwhile there's "plant food for thought" at Watts, here's a taster to whet appetites:
WUWT said:
Therefore, CO2 lags temperature at all measured time scales. CO2 does not drive temperature; temperature (among other factors) drives CO2.
Dig down at this Paleo Study link.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/15/paleo-study-...
Andy Zarse said:
Hmm looks like Mark Stein's lawyers are being ripped to shreds by Mann's...
They don't have a detailed working knowledge and can't or won't acquire it in the time available. As you can see from SM's commentary they are missing open goals.Steve M is a brilliant statistician - on a wider basis and except for his time disappearing even more, it's a pity he didn't do a law degree over the weekends. Even so he's one of the PPE good guys.
Andy Zarse said:
Hmm looks like Mark Stein's lawyers are being ripped to shreds by Mann's...
Why do you say that?As far as I know the Mark Steyn case is some way from trial. Steyn has fulfilled the Mann lawyers discovery requests who are now resisting the discovery requests on Mann. The case will take some time to come to court.
The current hearing are all about the publishers appear against the SLAPP ruling. Which is nothing to do with climate change.
Mrr T said:
Andy Zarse said:
Hmm looks like Mark Stein's lawyers are being ripped to shreds by Mann's...
Why do you say that?As far as I know the Mark Steyn case is some way from trial. Steyn has fulfilled the Mann lawyers discovery requests who are now resisting the discovery requests on Mann. The case will take some time to come to court.
The current hearing are all about the publishers appear against the SLAPP ruling. Which is nothing to do with climate change.
Some discussion here from May, but given the speed with which these things proceed...
http://rankexploits.com/musings/2014/more-mann-can...
turbobloke said:
Mrr T said:
Andy Zarse said:
Hmm looks like Mark Stein's lawyers are being ripped to shreds by Mann's...
Why do you say that?As far as I know the Mark Steyn case is some way from trial. Steyn has fulfilled the Mann lawyers discovery requests who are now resisting the discovery requests on Mann. The case will take some time to come to court.
The current hearing are all about the publishers appear against the SLAPP ruling. Which is nothing to do with climate change.
Some discussion here from May, but given the speed with which these things proceed...
http://rankexploits.com/musings/2014/more-mann-can...
I thought this was worth bringing over from the end of the old thread.
Chris Watton said:
What's this about making up 'ocean acidification', to prop up the MMGW/CC cause?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/23/touchy-feely...
If NOAA have made up this by omitting certain data that is critical to form a balanced conclusion, and they get away with it, we really are in trouble.
Lies are now permitted, indeed, perhaps lies are the new truth, and vice versa.
I liken 'climate science' to a Medieval religion, complete with inquisitors and flagellants! And still they make fortunes out of this, still have jobs and pensions, by pushing lies and deceit - and still the governments base energy plans around this tripe!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/23/touchy-feely...
If NOAA have made up this by omitting certain data that is critical to form a balanced conclusion, and they get away with it, we really are in trouble.
Lies are now permitted, indeed, perhaps lies are the new truth, and vice versa.
I liken 'climate science' to a Medieval religion, complete with inquisitors and flagellants! And still they make fortunes out of this, still have jobs and pensions, by pushing lies and deceit - and still the governments base energy plans around this tripe!
Mr GrimNasty said:
I thought this was worth bringing over from the end of the old thread.
Good call. So, a brief refresher for anyone interested...I appreciate this will not be new to many thread participants...Chris Watton said:
What's this about making up 'ocean acidification', to prop up the MMGW/CC cause?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/23/touchy-feely...
If NOAA have made up this by omitting certain data that is critical to form a balanced conclusion, and they get away with it, we really are in trouble.
Lies are now permitted, indeed, perhaps lies are the new truth, and vice versa.
I liken 'climate science' to a Medieval religion, complete with inquisitors and flagellants! And still they make fortunes out of this, still have jobs and pensions, by pushing lies and deceit - and still the governments base energy plans around this tripe!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/23/touchy-feely...
If NOAA have made up this by omitting certain data that is critical to form a balanced conclusion, and they get away with it, we really are in trouble.
Lies are now permitted, indeed, perhaps lies are the new truth, and vice versa.
I liken 'climate science' to a Medieval religion, complete with inquisitors and flagellants! And still they make fortunes out of this, still have jobs and pensions, by pushing lies and deceit - and still the governments base energy plans around this tripe!
1 Oceans are permanently slightly alkaline.
2 The scale of acidity and alkalinity is the pH scale, NB this is a logarithmic scale
3 Oceans are around 8 +or- ~0.3 on this scale
4 Oceans they are a permanently buffered solution: CaCO3 (from limestone rocks/coral/shells etc) is insoluble in water but reacts with carbonic acid (H2O + CO2) to make Ca(HCO3)2 aka calcium bicarbonate or calciun hydrogencarbonate for modernists.
5 Ca(HCO3)2 is soluble in water and is alkaline which, via the common ion effect, compensates for any extra acidity caused by extra dissolved CO2 as per normal buffer solution operation.
6 As Prof Ian Plimer so well expressed it: "The oceans can only become acidic if the earth runs out of ocean-exposed rocks."
Chris Watton said:
I liken 'climate science' to a Medieval religion, complete with inquisitors and flagellants! And still they make fortunes out of this, still have jobs and pensions, by pushing lies and deceit - and still the governments base energy plans around this tripe!
Certainly carbon trading is just a straight rip from the Catholic church's selling of indulgences. At least they got St Peters out of it though.
Jasandjules said:
voyds9 said:
Managed to get a covering of Viner in Sheffield over the last hour and still coming down fast.
You must be imagining it, because snow is a thing of the past....Thank god it's a thing of the past, or I'd be very uncomfortable now.
Pope Francis’s edict on climate change will anger deniers and US churches
Pontiff hopes to inspire action at next year’s UN meeting in Paris in December after visits to Philippines and New York
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/27/pope-...
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