BiB/Legal, drivers details NIP to foreign biz at deceased?
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It looks like a traffic offence NIP for drivers details (as best I can tell from yellow paper, addressed company and using backlight.)
It's sent to last address of a deceased family member who was joining or starting a business with a friend I know little about,
It's made out to company secretary, company name with this address, I have no idea what position deceased would have had.
Deceased didn't drive, they liked to be driven so it wouldn't be them and unexpected natural death was more than 14 days ago.
I believe it usually says only reply if addressed to you Or if to company, that your a person with high up responsibility like company owner, director, secretary etc...
But
I believe company owner/boss is a foreign national and I think he is out of UK atm.
Can't trace a forward address for company name and believe it may be registered abroad,
Think it's an R&D CO setup with one roll to fulfill for legal separation as found no public face.
Companies house has been searched and only similar businesses appear incorporated in UK.
I have no documents with its address on, no phone number and only spoke to him on employees phone.
Was posted to this address so I believe it relates to a specific vehicle the deceased estate is promised back in Nov.
Have no idea where employees live nor do I know if I will even see them again until possibly dropping car off in Nov.
Tax, insurance and MOT are sorted and its insured by estates family incase its not returned.
So what's the best course of action, or expected by BiB?
The car is expected back from the deceased's friend/company November after being taken after the death, they changed logbook after death although they had already had car prior and started fitting things like sensors for some AI application, I'm not sure if this address being used when they changed name to a company's was an error, agreed with deceased, because deceased was to be UK branch/contact or intentional as it's deceased's vehicle, it doesn't stay here and as far as I am aware it's with whatever employee that's driving it, although Mot sorted, been Taxed and estate didn't pay.
I feel I should open this to see if it is a speeding ticket, red light or perhaps something more sinister??
Should I open it, wait for estates insured family here to have some info request, send it back as deceased/no trace, proactively contact ticket office, then just ask for pictures to confirm if I can recognize any party driving it as an employee?
Cheers,
NFT
It's sent to last address of a deceased family member who was joining or starting a business with a friend I know little about,
It's made out to company secretary, company name with this address, I have no idea what position deceased would have had.
Deceased didn't drive, they liked to be driven so it wouldn't be them and unexpected natural death was more than 14 days ago.
I believe it usually says only reply if addressed to you Or if to company, that your a person with high up responsibility like company owner, director, secretary etc...
But
I believe company owner/boss is a foreign national and I think he is out of UK atm.
Can't trace a forward address for company name and believe it may be registered abroad,
Think it's an R&D CO setup with one roll to fulfill for legal separation as found no public face.
Companies house has been searched and only similar businesses appear incorporated in UK.
I have no documents with its address on, no phone number and only spoke to him on employees phone.
Was posted to this address so I believe it relates to a specific vehicle the deceased estate is promised back in Nov.
Have no idea where employees live nor do I know if I will even see them again until possibly dropping car off in Nov.
Tax, insurance and MOT are sorted and its insured by estates family incase its not returned.
So what's the best course of action, or expected by BiB?
The car is expected back from the deceased's friend/company November after being taken after the death, they changed logbook after death although they had already had car prior and started fitting things like sensors for some AI application, I'm not sure if this address being used when they changed name to a company's was an error, agreed with deceased, because deceased was to be UK branch/contact or intentional as it's deceased's vehicle, it doesn't stay here and as far as I am aware it's with whatever employee that's driving it, although Mot sorted, been Taxed and estate didn't pay.
I feel I should open this to see if it is a speeding ticket, red light or perhaps something more sinister??
Should I open it, wait for estates insured family here to have some info request, send it back as deceased/no trace, proactively contact ticket office, then just ask for pictures to confirm if I can recognize any party driving it as an employee?
Cheers,
NFT
Edited by NFT on Wednesday 27th September 02:21
Too late, fear set in it may be seized or something serious.
35 in a 30, manned equipment, Poor sod,
Would ticket office not find that to be a slamming of door in their face and see family threatened with court for details?
Previous keeper was deceased's son, he was named driver on policy she paid for, and insured it after the death and kept policy on.
If foreign company and foreign insurance BiB will just see something dodgy without an explanation, surely?
Or am I getting caught up in putting myself in position of having a NIP sent to my name as its estates car and trying to settle deceased's affairs?
He's(sons) suffering PTSD, not only due to performing CPR on mother for 45 horrendous mins before ambulance arrived and witnessing death, But long before this he had nearly been killed in a massive near death out of control crashing by a recovery op before the boss destroyed him in an unprovoked rage in addition to other unfortunate events though no fault of his own causing absolute devastation he was just getting over.
One thing I know is that he cant handle the risk to his reputation, if it was him he would be fessing up for SAC having a clean license and it would have been unintentional speeding, drives like BiB is behind him waiting for him to rush it to 34mph on speedo unaware it over reads a little, but perceived cost, hassle and stress of court threat with risk judge could find against him would be too much ordinarily, at this time it would be too much to point of massive breakdown.
Any BiB advice before I try explain this to ticket office in a few days?
35 in a 30, manned equipment, Poor sod,
Would ticket office not find that to be a slamming of door in their face and see family threatened with court for details?
Previous keeper was deceased's son, he was named driver on policy she paid for, and insured it after the death and kept policy on.
If foreign company and foreign insurance BiB will just see something dodgy without an explanation, surely?
Or am I getting caught up in putting myself in position of having a NIP sent to my name as its estates car and trying to settle deceased's affairs?
He's(sons) suffering PTSD, not only due to performing CPR on mother for 45 horrendous mins before ambulance arrived and witnessing death, But long before this he had nearly been killed in a massive near death out of control crashing by a recovery op before the boss destroyed him in an unprovoked rage in addition to other unfortunate events though no fault of his own causing absolute devastation he was just getting over.
One thing I know is that he cant handle the risk to his reputation, if it was him he would be fessing up for SAC having a clean license and it would have been unintentional speeding, drives like BiB is behind him waiting for him to rush it to 34mph on speedo unaware it over reads a little, but perceived cost, hassle and stress of court threat with risk judge could find against him would be too much ordinarily, at this time it would be too much to point of massive breakdown.
Any BiB advice before I try explain this to ticket office in a few days?
Edited by NFT on Thursday 28th September 05:40
Tbh I am struggling to get a grip on the situation myself as can't ask deceased.
The NIP seeking driver details came to deceased's address, addressed to "company secretary"(Those words not deceased's name), company name, and deceased's address where son has license and his own British insurance for it as a UK national since birth like deceased was. Deceased's friend who believe is boss is foreign.
Logbook is company name at this address, no trace of company in uk or online, tax reminder turned up after death with company name on it and had been taxed for another six months when checked after expiry date. Presumably because it will be back before six months is up.
Main concern is I have my own friends that have been stung for things they didn't do in past, using phone when was resting head on hand, done it since other half left him, caved and paid rather than risk court, another's No MOT fine paid as garage never had it in the book when plod checked and was just expecting car back within a few weeks when work had been done.
I expect ticket office will be aggressive with it if we just say not known here, I could be wrong but expect police to expect accountability, agreements, evidence that I cannot find,. and it's insured here by son (thankfully with him not the keeper declared) who was previous keeper and his (Squeaky clean never had any points or speeding nips, course or points)license is at same address, threatening court for not providing the details he doesn't know is sadly expected by ticket office if foreigner has some foreign policy our UK system might not show leaving son only traceable party in uk due to foregn biz/insurance.
If the images mildly resemble him(Or license picture) or not even show driver would they try pursue him? it will be too much and sadly it is perceived by me due to the commonly unfair black or white mentality of police/ticket office coupled with 172's lovely sledgehammer use to sweat keepers into fessing up. That if this isn't handled right then deceased's sons mental health will go and not come back.
As,
Car was in his name as sent to buy it, was named driver before the death and logbook change, and insured it again aware it was being kept by a business after death. Or is that irrelevant, ticket office wont try get him to court if merely resembles some way or driver not shown in pics and I'm just overthinking this?
The NIP seeking driver details came to deceased's address, addressed to "company secretary"(Those words not deceased's name), company name, and deceased's address where son has license and his own British insurance for it as a UK national since birth like deceased was. Deceased's friend who believe is boss is foreign.
Logbook is company name at this address, no trace of company in uk or online, tax reminder turned up after death with company name on it and had been taxed for another six months when checked after expiry date. Presumably because it will be back before six months is up.
Main concern is I have my own friends that have been stung for things they didn't do in past, using phone when was resting head on hand, done it since other half left him, caved and paid rather than risk court, another's No MOT fine paid as garage never had it in the book when plod checked and was just expecting car back within a few weeks when work had been done.
I expect ticket office will be aggressive with it if we just say not known here, I could be wrong but expect police to expect accountability, agreements, evidence that I cannot find,. and it's insured here by son (thankfully with him not the keeper declared) who was previous keeper and his (Squeaky clean never had any points or speeding nips, course or points)license is at same address, threatening court for not providing the details he doesn't know is sadly expected by ticket office if foreigner has some foreign policy our UK system might not show leaving son only traceable party in uk due to foregn biz/insurance.
If the images mildly resemble him(Or license picture) or not even show driver would they try pursue him? it will be too much and sadly it is perceived by me due to the commonly unfair black or white mentality of police/ticket office coupled with 172's lovely sledgehammer use to sweat keepers into fessing up. That if this isn't handled right then deceased's sons mental health will go and not come back.
As,
Car was in his name as sent to buy it, was named driver before the death and logbook change, and insured it again aware it was being kept by a business after death. Or is that irrelevant, ticket office wont try get him to court if merely resembles some way or driver not shown in pics and I'm just overthinking this?
Edited by NFT on Thursday 28th September 15:30
To summarise
The logbook is in the Company Name
The Company is the Registered Keeper and has received a NIP
You're wondering how you can get out of this for various reasons (deceased, PTSD etc etc)
You're wondering how aggressive the Police will be in chasing this up.
I also get the impression that the Son was driving but you're hoping you can blame the deceased dad, and worried that the pictures might reveal the truth.
Possibly a long shot but you could write to the NIP office and tell them the truth (in plain English)?
Good shot, Son doesn't know this came through yet.
He would likely fess up having not done it to get SAC if pressed for fine or court and later could be done for fraud if someone else is identified.
I have come up with an idea, BiB can mark and pull car as I believe an agreement is actually in the glove box, that should sort it out.
Any further ideas, insights or advice still welcome.
He would likely fess up having not done it to get SAC if pressed for fine or court and later could be done for fraud if someone else is identified.
I have come up with an idea, BiB can mark and pull car as I believe an agreement is actually in the glove box, that should sort it out.
Any further ideas, insights or advice still welcome.
Edited by NFT on Thursday 28th September 15:48
Bill said:
35 in a 30 is speed awareness course or 3 points territory. Surely it's just easier to tell them who was driving and move on?
That's the issue, I do not know, company is like a ghost, ticket office won't like it.Thankfully both I and son was driving, our own cars and at a wonderful 60 miles away and fueled about 10 mins apart (we pay for fuel on personal bank card) at the time so that should satisfy ticket office, at least I hope.
Sounds like it won't end well for someone. Impossible to work out the full story from what's been written in pigeon English but I assume someone hasn't bothered to update keeper details and so NIP has gone to the wrong place.
All I forsee here is turning a simple SAC into 6 points and a code insurer's don't like but do keep us posted.
All I forsee here is turning a simple SAC into 6 points and a code insurer's don't like but do keep us posted.
Bendo said:
Sounds like it won't end well for someone. Impossible to work out the full story from what's been written in pigeon English but I assume someone hasn't bothered to update keeper details and so NIP has gone to the wrong place.
All I forsee here is turning a simple SAC into 6 points and a code insurer's don't like but do keep us posted.
I've no idea myself tbh,All I forsee here is turning a simple SAC into 6 points and a code insurer's don't like but do keep us posted.
Deceased was involved in some road research business with foreign friend, their car already having sensors fitted on unexpected death,
Employee of a company we didn't recognize turned up after the death, Didn't know passed, rang his boss and he was upset, gave condolences, explained car would come back Nov.
New logbook turned up after taking car following the death, with company name at deceased's, unknown if intentional or error.
Tax reminder arrived, 6 months tax appeared on it on expiry date. must be by company.
Then this turned up, I tried trace company to forward and can't find a thing.
The friend was hard to listen to when talked to on employees phone and foreign accent made near impossible so likely foreign company and possible insurance.
Opened it fearing something serious, was nothing but 5mph by some employee I don't know and haven't hired as not my or family's company.
i also got fearful for son but he was 60 miles away and I have had advice, its companies problem but they have a defense if found or BiB pulls car as not received for whatever reason.
Ticket office could try asking son but will be as "any other person" and he basically has to try his best and that's it, although he was 60 miles from offence about 12 mins before it happened so he should be ok there. Unless they come up with a much more serious speeding ticket showing he sped back quick as a flash, swapped car and did 35mph in a 30 lol
Edited by NFT on Thursday 28th September 19:30
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