RE: Volkswagen Phaeton V10 TDI | Spotted

RE: Volkswagen Phaeton V10 TDI | Spotted

Wednesday 27th September 2023

Volkswagen Phaeton V10 TDI | Spotted

Diesel is dead. Fancy a massive fossil?


In the (not to) distant future, when cars of the fossil fuel era are marvelled at for their shameless profligacy, there will be many, many contenders for the title of worst offender. Given that it’s designed to carry more than two people and isn’t shaped like a chiselled breeze block, the Phaeton might not actually feature high among them. But no citizen of tomorrow’s world is going to understand why a comparatively humble saloon car needed ten, diesel-fuelled cylinders to do its job. Even now, just 20 years down the line, it seems scarcely believable. 

The answer, of course, is that one vainglorious man essentially willed it into existence. It wasn’t strictly necessary for Volkswagen to launch itself at the high-end luxury car market just after the millennium, just as it wasn’t strictly necessary to engineer the Phaeton like a moon rocket or power it with colossal engines. But to Ferdinand Piëch necessity was always much less interesting than a challenge; the car that resulted was a comprehensive answer to a question no one was asking. Little wonder they were hard to shift. 

Of course, as is the way with relics of their time, that does make the Phaeton an object of some fascination. Piëch’s technical stipulations to his engineers have gone down in automotive lore. Requiring a constant cabin temperature of 22 degrees in 50-degree heat at 186mph is often quoted as the pick of the bunch, but the other parameters handed down from on high were evidently deemed no less fanciful. That this technological marvel was then wrapped in the anonymous skin of super-sized Passat only magnifies the sense of incredulity. Like housing a supercomputer in a lorry container.

It didn’t help the Phaeton’s case that many if not most of its trailblazing metrics had precious little to do with driving. Or at least not in the way that most people would tend to notice. Unless they wanted to stay cool on a salt flat while going 30mph beyond the limiter. Even the V10, staggeringly proportioned even for its day, was definitely not about shock and awe. It was about making a 2,566kg kerbweight feel effortless, and with 553lb ft of torque at its disposal it was more than capable. But the car was no all-singing super-saloon; it was comfy and extremely capacious, but it did not rival the lighter Audi A8 for dynamism. 

The wider problem was that it didn’t rival the Mercedes S-Class on the aspirational front either. The Phaeton was meant to defy the workaday appeal of the VW badge with technical might. But because the car was made in VW’s image - particularly inside, where a lack of imagination seemed to be worn like a badge of honour - the result seemed staid compared to the luxury cars that had ruled the roost for decades. Buyers generally voted for finer style with their feet. 

So why might you want one now? Well, by not finding favour with customers, the Phaeton famously entered a period of depreciation that was painful even by luxury car standards. Accordingly, while it may have been implacably dull, it also registered as a secondhand bargain. This example, even with 150k on the clock, is still a lot of car for less than £5k. Plus there is now the itch-scratched prospect of being able to say you’ve owned and run one of the great engineering follies of the last 20 years. Just don’t expect people to notice. 


SPECIFICATION | VOLKSWAGEN PHAETON V10 TDI 

Engine: 4,921cc V10, turbodiesel
Transmission: six-speed automatic l, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 313@3,750rpm
Torque (lb ft): 553@2,000rpm
MPG: 24.8
CO2: 308g/km
Year registered: 2005
Recorded mileage: 150,000
Price new: £60,375
Yours for: £4,495

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Lotusgone

Original Poster:

1,464 posts

140 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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That looks a glorious barge for the money. Plus I would get a few quid back on selling the towbar.


JJJ.

2,437 posts

28 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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It's like looking for kinky sex and end up tortured and hospitalized.

Quhet

2,624 posts

159 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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I hope this has been towing one of those stty little trailers filled with garden waste to the local tip. What a way to do it.

Mark-C

6,377 posts

218 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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That is a massive amount of car for less than £5k - with the downside of massive bills when things go wrong!


parabolica

6,855 posts

197 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Quhet said:
I hope this has been towing one of those stty little trailers filled with garden waste to the local tip. What a way to do it.
I was about to say I can't think of a more unusual car to see with a towbar, but then remembered I saw a i4 towing a horsebox here in Holland on Monday afternoon.

Baldchap

9,010 posts

105 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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722Nm for anyone wondering...

Probably adequate.

Ikobo

527 posts

162 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Knowing how these things go, it's probably another £4.5k for the buttons missing in the interior. Still would though.

magic Monkey Dust

326 posts

49 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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One of the neighbours has one for towing a track day car to different tracks around the Uk. Could even be this one, they all look the same. Did they only do black?.

Mr-B

4,025 posts

207 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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I have a grudging admiration for these and the engineering within and would love one, if it came with a warranty.

Have some hinge porn.


Mr E

22,366 posts

272 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Baldchap said:
722Nm for anyone wondering...

Probably adequate.
One presumes that could be turned up quite a bit if you needed to tow a small building or similar.

BIRMA

3,924 posts

207 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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I ran one of these for about 5 years, I bought it on the basis that for £10K I’d take a chance on one instead of spending £60K on something a lot later.
Cooled seats and trick opening air vents were a few of its many party tricks. I used it as a University Taxi when my daughter was at Norfolk it made the journey from Portsmouth like trip to the shops. Over 30 mpg on a long run, silent most of the time but when you really put your foot down it rumbled like a volcano from the central tunnel area.
An era of cars that I don’t think will return mad cars

Mark-C

6,377 posts

218 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Mr E said:
Baldchap said:
722Nm for anyone wondering...

Probably adequate.
One presumes that could be turned up quite a bit if you needed to tow a small building or similar.
"On the dyno we’ve seen torque figures of up to 1200Nm, which is far in excess of what a standard racing transmission can handle. At Le Mans we ran the engine with just over 1000Nm of torque and about 530bhp.”

From the people who built a race car around the engine before Audi and Peugeot started racing diesels ...

Terminator X

17,298 posts

217 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Slightly o/t but I saw a V10 RS6 at Marham at one of their the 30-130 days and have lusted after a V10 ever since.

TX.

Sandpit Steve

12,258 posts

87 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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A proper Brave Pill that one, but so much car for the money. We should all make sure these old barges keep running.

Now one of these, an A8 V12, or an M-B S600?

TheJimi

26,258 posts

256 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Brave Pills are definitely needed hehe

Seeing ditchfinders on a car like this makes me think "nope"

I dread to think how many other corners have been cut.


Fusion777

2,427 posts

61 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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The V10 diesel was mad, but what’s more crazy is it wasn’t even the biggest diesel engine of that era.

vikingaero

11,784 posts

182 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Overall very nice, but that interior seems seriously dated - almost looks like something out of the 70's! biggrin

jimmytheone

1,648 posts

231 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Article said: But because the car was made in VW’s image - particularly inside, where a lack of imagination seemed to be worn like a badge of honour - the result seemed staid compared to the luxury cars that had ruled the roost for decades

Perhaps it was but i'd rather spend time in this barge than some of the ghastly modern interiors from MB or even VW's latest disaster of an interface with their ID range

griffdude

1,869 posts

261 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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A friend of mine drove to Europe in one of these last August. Averaged 67mph & 34.9mpg over 800miles.

cerb4.5lee

36,165 posts

193 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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The brightness of the wood trim inside gave me a bit of a shock in fairness! What an engine though.