Man arrested for paying with Northern Irish £20 banknote
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Basically the staff at his local Tesco thought it was fake and called the police when he wouldn't leave the store. I've also found that checkout staff (anywhere, but the bigger places are worse) can really react quite strongly when you hand over a NI note - so much so that I tend to save them for the next trip back over.
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/822952-man-arrested-fo...
Pesty said:
Barnsley hospital canteen refused to let me pay for several meals, all I had was a Scotish £20 on me.
She was convinced it could only be used in Scotland. I told her it was legal tender and go get her boss she came out and said the same.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE A VOTE!
Oh oh, here we go again. Technically, it isn't legal tender. But still stupid not to accept it.She was convinced it could only be used in Scotland. I told her it was legal tender and go get her boss she came out and said the same.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE A VOTE!
Hawmaws said:
Oh oh, here we go again. Technically, it isn't legal tender. But still stupid not to accept it.
Please feel free to educate me, I was always under the impression they were legal tender. (I get a lot as I travel a lot)well I take it all back the dopey barnsley women were correct. mind you not form a technical stand point they just didn't like the look of them
never had a Scotish shop refuse English notes
never mind
"Are Scottish & Northern Irish notes legal tender?
In short ‘No’ these notes are not legal tender; only Bank of England notes are legal tender but only in England and Wales.
The term legal tender does not in itself govern the acceptability of banknotes in transactions. Whether or not notes have legal tender status, their acceptability as a means of payment is essentially a matter for agreement between the parties involved. Legal tender has a very narrow technical meaning in relation to the settlement of debt. If a debtor pays in legal tender the exact amount he owes under the terms of a contract, he has good defence in law if he is subsequently sued for non-payment of the debt. In ordinary everyday transactions, the term ‘legal tender’ has very little practical application."
Edited by Pesty on Saturday 24th April 09:24
Pesty said:
Hawmaws said:
Oh oh, here we go again. Technically, it isn't legal tender. But still stupid not to accept it.
Please feel free to educate me, I was always under the impression they were legal tender. (I get a lot as I travel a lot)Scottish notes are promissory notes issued by the Scottish banks. They are not legal tender because of this.
The only notes of "legal Tender" in England and Wales are Bank of England notes. But not Scotland, so technically there are no notes in Scotland that are legal tender.....but in practice the banks accept BOE and Scottish notes,so it isn't an issue.
Edited by Hawmaws on Saturday 24th April 09:20
Trevelyan said:
A couple of weeks ago my local petrol station tried to give me a Bank of Ireland £5 note as change, and got most upset when I refused it and asked for a Bank of England one instead. I had to point out that Ireland had been using the Euro for several years before he relented.
Bank of Ireland?The Bank of Ireland is an Irish Republic based commercial bank.
From Wiki -
Northern Ireland banknotes
Banknotes issued by Northern Ireland banks have the same legal status as Scottish banknotes in that they are promissory notes issued in pounds sterling and may be used for cash transactions anywhere in the United Kingdom. However, they are rarely seen outside Northern Ireland and are often not accepted in England and Wales without some explanation.[17] As with Scottish notes, clearing banks and building societies will accept them. Northern Ireland sterling banknotes should not be confused with the Irish pound (or Punt), the former currency of the Republic of Ireland, which was replaced by the euro in 1999.
Northern Ireland banknotes
Banknotes issued by Northern Ireland banks have the same legal status as Scottish banknotes in that they are promissory notes issued in pounds sterling and may be used for cash transactions anywhere in the United Kingdom. However, they are rarely seen outside Northern Ireland and are often not accepted in England and Wales without some explanation.[17] As with Scottish notes, clearing banks and building societies will accept them. Northern Ireland sterling banknotes should not be confused with the Irish pound (or Punt), the former currency of the Republic of Ireland, which was replaced by the euro in 1999.
Hawmaws said:
Pesty said:
Hawmaws said:
Oh oh, here we go again. Technically, it isn't legal tender. But still stupid not to accept it.
Please feel free to educate me, I was always under the impression they were legal tender. (I get a lot as I travel a lot)Scottish notes are promissory notes issued by the Scottish banks. They are not legal tender because of this.
The only notes of "legal Tender" in England and Wales are Bank of England notes. But not Scotland, so technically there are no notes in Scotland that are legal tender.....but in practice the banks accept BOE and Scottish notes,so it isn't an issue.
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Yes I was wrong in saying they were legal tender, thank you.They were convinced it was illegal to pay with them which is obviously wrong , to be honest i don't think they had ever seen them before.
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sorry, rubbish at quoting stuff.....
It's an often misused phrase where the legal meaning is much more limited than the practical application. I once won a £100 bet in a Glasgow pub on this very point. And survived......
Edited by Hawmaws on Saturday 24th April 09:32
Trevelyan said:
Eric Mc said:
Bank of Ireland?
The Bank of Ireland is an Irish Republic based commercial bank.
I meant the Central Bank of Ireland, as in the issuer of the ROI banknotes until they went to the Euro.The Bank of Ireland is an Irish Republic based commercial bank.
Irish Central Bank HQ in Dublin
Bank of Ireland HQ in Dublin
They are both staggeringly ugly buildings.
Edited by Eric Mc on Saturday 24th April 09:39
Shops don't HAVE to accept any money, just the same as you don't have a right to purchase from them. He was arrested for kicking off I believe, while it may have been petty to call the police I do think Tesco have a rather admirable policy of never letting employees hang out to dry by undermining them in front of customers.
I hate the current attitude that shops have to do as you want, while it may not make much buisness sense they can tell you to f
k off if they didnt like the look of you (I think).
I hate the current attitude that shops have to do as you want, while it may not make much buisness sense they can tell you to f
k off if they didnt like the look of you (I think). As soon as you're south of Watford Gap there's a fuss made over presenting Scottish notes - it used to exasperate me that people were so fussy over them, creating a mini-drama or just refusing point-blank to accept them, even in detriment to their business.
Over time I thought about it from the other angle, why does Scotland have to produce notes that are 'theirs' rather than notes which are 'useful'?
Over time I thought about it from the other angle, why does Scotland have to produce notes that are 'theirs' rather than notes which are 'useful'?
Finlandia said:
Probably had his DNA swabbed as well, as he was arrested. All for trying to pay for his shopping!
no, he would have been arrested because he was "refusing to leave the store without the items he wanted to buy" and "became abusive." or on suspicion of those things...Unfortunately, the 'Tesco spokesman did not, according to the report, admit that his staff were poorly trained and somewhat umworldly.wakster said:
Shops don't HAVE to accept any money, just the same as you don't have a right to purchase from them. He was arrested for kicking off I believe, while it may have been petty to call the police I do think Tesco have a rather admirable policy of never letting employees hang out to dry by undermining them in front of customers.
I hate the current attitude that shops have to do as you want, while it may not make much buisness sense they can tell you to fk off if they didnt like the look of you (I think).
Indeed I suspect there are two sides to this story.I hate the current attitude that shops have to do as you want, while it may not make much buisness sense they can tell you to f
k off if they didnt like the look of you (I think). andy_s said:
Over time I thought about it from the other angle, why does Scotland have to produce notes that are 'theirs' rather than notes which are 'useful'?
Like a lot of things, it stems from the long history of the relationships bewtween the different parts of the UK.Scotland and Ireland were once totally independent and had their own laws and currencies. By 1801 they were both integrated into the United Kingdom but retained the ability to pass their own laws and print their own currencies.
By 1921, 26 counties of Ireland were no longer part of the UK but 6 counties were so those 6 counties retained their ability to raise their own currency.
The way things are going, we are gradually returning to the pre 1801 position and perhaps even the pre-1707 position.
Edited by Eric Mc on Saturday 24th April 10:01
wakster said:
Shops don't HAVE to accept any money,
You are correct. They don't have to. However there is no reason not to, as we have established the note is ok to use in England and any bank will take the note at its face value in sterling.I would like to think a place like Tesco would train staff on what money they can and can't accept. Tesco say there is no policy of rejecting NI notes so why the fuss?
My money is on just sticking people on the till with as little training as possible. I bet they tell them to look out for counterfeit notes though.
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