But IS IT a minority?
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Btw, I'm not a fan of this new multi descriptional fora approach, it it definitely a case of overmeddling where it simply wasn't necessary and I wasn't sure where to place this because it's more an issue of 'society' than politics or economics per se.
However - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7987149.stm - a bit like the can of fizz which some peasant had tossed from their vehicle on the Tollbahn which clanged about my underside at a fair old lick last night.
"This is a problem caused by a minority who spoil things for everyone else..." but I would ask - as with the 95% of motorists who appear to be MLMs - is it a minority?
Is not Britain now a seething pot of gruntweavers, conditioned by grotesque homogenity forged in the fires of a totalitarian but hopelessly blind, wilfully ignorant, politically correct, media spun zeitgesit that has no ideas pertaining to the unavoidable benefits in a correct, orderly, proven, workable heirarchy in which the sorts who break wind in the palaces of the mighty would in preference to 'entitlement' be productively employed in and embraced by a beneficent feudal mechanism?
Seriously and without going all D Wail, just spend a day or three identifying the calibre of your fellow countryfolk - we still have a great many decent geezers and geezettes (I mean, look at this place
) - but I am convinced Britain is now choking in a Dante's Pit of unconscionable, illiterate, philistines with chronic behavioural and communication disorders.
However - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7987149.stm - a bit like the can of fizz which some peasant had tossed from their vehicle on the Tollbahn which clanged about my underside at a fair old lick last night.
"This is a problem caused by a minority who spoil things for everyone else..." but I would ask - as with the 95% of motorists who appear to be MLMs - is it a minority?
Is not Britain now a seething pot of gruntweavers, conditioned by grotesque homogenity forged in the fires of a totalitarian but hopelessly blind, wilfully ignorant, politically correct, media spun zeitgesit that has no ideas pertaining to the unavoidable benefits in a correct, orderly, proven, workable heirarchy in which the sorts who break wind in the palaces of the mighty would in preference to 'entitlement' be productively employed in and embraced by a beneficent feudal mechanism?
Seriously and without going all D Wail, just spend a day or three identifying the calibre of your fellow countryfolk - we still have a great many decent geezers and geezettes (I mean, look at this place
) - but I am convinced Britain is now choking in a Dante's Pit of unconscionable, illiterate, philistines with chronic behavioural and communication disorders.derestrictor said:
Seriously and without going all D Wail, just spend a day or three identifying the calibre of your fellow countryfolk - we still have a great many decent geezers and geezettes (I mean, look at this place ) - but I am convinced Britain is now choking in a Dante's Pit of unconscionable, illiterate, philistines with chronic behavioural and communication disorders.
It's not new. Churchill identified the problem decades ago. "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.") - but I am convinced Britain is now choking in a Dante's Pit of unconscionable, illiterate, philistines with chronic behavioural and communication disorders.Think about it. The IQ curve is bell shaped, with "average" intelligence of IQ100 in the middle. That means that half of the population are of below average intelligence. I am convinced that the left side of the bell is getting a bulge in it these days.
Consider this: If you were unfortunate enough to find yourself on trial for something, would you be comfortable knowing that your fate would be decided by a jury made up of "the average voter"?
Strangely Brown said:
oyster said:
Not to defend littering but we have less bins on streets, beaches, parks than any other developed country I've been to.
Fewer! We have fewer bins in streets, beaches and parks.So we watch masses of detritus blow all over the place because some bins got wrecked by IED's. Great.
mrmaggit said:
Strangely Brown said:
oyster said:
Not to defend littering but we have less bins on streets, beaches, parks than any other developed country I've been to.
Fewer! We have fewer bins in streets, beaches and parks.So we watch masses of detritus blow all over the place because some bins got wrecked by IED's. Great.
You watch masses of detritus blow all over the place because most people don't care about their local environment and are happy to throw it in the street/park/anywhere and because there was/is the threat that people would get blown up by IEDs.
It makes me laugh that some people claim Britain is s
t hole, getting worse etc. and then the said same are utterly amazed when a youth doesn't take pride in their country and throws his rubbish on the ground. Hypocrisy of the highest order I'm afraid.
Maybe the solution is a change in attitude towards our little island? It's well known that a positive attitude is contagious and benificial so maybe we should stop blaming everybody else and have a long hard look at ourselves. The litter problem is largely caused by "our" children lest we forget. I think a little respect for our home, and it's flaws, is what we all need.
Just a thought.
t hole, getting worse etc. and then the said same are utterly amazed when a youth doesn't take pride in their country and throws his rubbish on the ground. Hypocrisy of the highest order I'm afraid.Maybe the solution is a change in attitude towards our little island? It's well known that a positive attitude is contagious and benificial so maybe we should stop blaming everybody else and have a long hard look at ourselves. The litter problem is largely caused by "our" children lest we forget. I think a little respect for our home, and it's flaws, is what we all need.
Just a thought.
G_T said:
It makes me laugh that some people claim Britain is st hole, getting worse etc. and then the said same are utterly amazed when a youth doesn't take pride in their country and throws his rubbish on the ground. Hypocrisy of the highest order I'm afraid.
Maybe the solution is a change in attitude towards our little island? It's well known that a positive attitude is contagious and benificial so maybe we should stop blaming everybody else and have a long hard look at ourselves. The litter problem is largely caused by "our" children lest we forget. I think a little respect for our home, and it's flaws, is what we all need.
Just a thought.
An excellent one, to boot, except for one thing: it's bt hole, getting worse etc. and then the said same are utterly amazed when a youth doesn't take pride in their country and throws his rubbish on the ground. Hypocrisy of the highest order I'm afraid.Maybe the solution is a change in attitude towards our little island? It's well known that a positive attitude is contagious and benificial so maybe we should stop blaming everybody else and have a long hard look at ourselves. The litter problem is largely caused by "our" children lest we forget. I think a little respect for our home, and it's flaws, is what we all need.
Just a thought.
ks.derestrictor said:
G_T said:
It makes me laugh that some people claim Britain is st hole, getting worse etc. and then the said same are utterly amazed when a youth doesn't take pride in their country and throws his rubbish on the ground. Hypocrisy of the highest order I'm afraid.
Maybe the solution is a change in attitude towards our little island? It's well known that a positive attitude is contagious and benificial so maybe we should stop blaming everybody else and have a long hard look at ourselves. The litter problem is largely caused by "our" children lest we forget. I think a little respect for our home, and it's flaws, is what we all need.
Just a thought.
An excellent one, to boot, except for one thing: it's bt hole, getting worse etc. and then the said same are utterly amazed when a youth doesn't take pride in their country and throws his rubbish on the ground. Hypocrisy of the highest order I'm afraid.Maybe the solution is a change in attitude towards our little island? It's well known that a positive attitude is contagious and benificial so maybe we should stop blaming everybody else and have a long hard look at ourselves. The litter problem is largely caused by "our" children lest we forget. I think a little respect for our home, and it's flaws, is what we all need.
Just a thought.
ks.king love reading the Daily Mail and remembering the "good old days" don't you?Asterix said:
mrmaggit said:
Strangely Brown said:
oyster said:
Not to defend littering but we have less bins on streets, beaches, parks than any other developed country I've been to.
Fewer! We have fewer bins in streets, beaches and parks.So we watch masses of detritus blow all over the place because some bins got wrecked by IED's. Great.
You watch masses of detritus blow all over the place because most people don't care about their local environment and are happy to throw it in the street/park/anywhere and because there was/is the threat that people would get blown up by IEDs.
ked off with it after about ten minutes and then chuck it away.GT: No, I'm a social realist in this regard: the past was largely bloody grim and I wouldn't advocate time travel for a permanent residence.
Doesn't mean some of it's tenets weren't virtuous in parts nor worth revisiting for rejuvenation and application in the putting down of unworkable, utopian, bourgois notions of 'equality,' in all it's forms, e.g. university education.
Quite what the wail has to do with anything is beyond me.
If you can't accept that ruddy great tracts of our population are slobbering vermin then that's fine.
I don't understand the British compulsion to st in your own back yard, as it were, that's all.
Doesn't mean some of it's tenets weren't virtuous in parts nor worth revisiting for rejuvenation and application in the putting down of unworkable, utopian, bourgois notions of 'equality,' in all it's forms, e.g. university education.
Quite what the wail has to do with anything is beyond me.
If you can't accept that ruddy great tracts of our population are slobbering vermin then that's fine.
I don't understand the British compulsion to s
t in your own back yard, as it were, that's all.Edited by derestrictor on Wednesday 8th April 13:41
There's a polarisation of social construction going on, and it's based partially on geographical (and therefore largely financial) distribution, and also on political expectations. There are great swathes of Britain where aspiration is confined to extracting the contents of a fag or beer can, where rights have no balancing reponsibility, and "I want it" mantra has replaced "I have earned it" as a churl phiosophy.
Who can New Labour rely on to vote for them unless they pay the destiute to stay on the dole, and import voters from third world Europe under the guise of EEC reforms?
I agree with DR's point that there are indeed elements of the past, especially in education, that could be dragged back from the abyss of history to serve today. Otherwise, why would apprenticeships suddenly have become fashionable again - a system that German industry uses to poulate it's factories, and it's towns, and it's well-orderd, intellectually stifled zeitgeist.
It is a minority, but tabloids, TV and celebrity anti-culture ensure it's influence is out of proportion to it's size.
Who can New Labour rely on to vote for them unless they pay the destiute to stay on the dole, and import voters from third world Europe under the guise of EEC reforms?
I agree with DR's point that there are indeed elements of the past, especially in education, that could be dragged back from the abyss of history to serve today. Otherwise, why would apprenticeships suddenly have become fashionable again - a system that German industry uses to poulate it's factories, and it's towns, and it's well-orderd, intellectually stifled zeitgeist.
It is a minority, but tabloids, TV and celebrity anti-culture ensure it's influence is out of proportion to it's size.
oyster said:
Not to defend littering but we have less bins on streets, beaches, parks than any other developed country I've been to.
There used to be a guy with a broom and rubbish barrow in Fleet (my home town) and everyday his job was to empty bins and sweep up rubbish around town. Nobody does that job anymore on a regular basis but there are more traffic wardens instead.
shoebag said:
oyster said:
Not to defend littering but we have less bins on streets, beaches, parks than any other developed country I've been to.
There used to be a guy with a broom and rubbish barrow in Fleet (my home town) and everyday his job was to empty bins and sweep up rubbish around town. Nobody does that job anymore on a regular basis but there are more traffic wardens instead.
Convenient.
derestrictor said:
Is not Britain now a seething pot of gruntweavers, conditioned by grotesque homogenity forged in the fires of a totalitarian but hopelessly blind, wilfully ignorant, politically correct, media spun zeitgesit
To that bit DER - even I say yes - and I'm a lefty. I want a bit more "from each according to their ability" and a bit less (or at least better identified) "to each according their need".derestrictor said:
Btw, I'm not a fan of this new multi descriptional fora approach, it it definitely a case of overmeddling where it simply wasn't necessary and I wasn't sure where to place this because it's more an issue of 'society' than politics or economics per se.
However - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7987149.stm - a bit like the can of fizz which some peasant had tossed from their vehicle on the Tollbahn which clanged about my underside at a fair old lick last night.
"This is a problem caused by a minority who spoil things for everyone else..." but I would ask - as with the 95% of motorists who appear to be MLMs - is it a minority?
Is not Britain now a seething pot of gruntweavers, conditioned by grotesque homogenity forged in the fires of a totalitarian but hopelessly blind, wilfully ignorant, politically correct, media spun zeitgesit that has no ideas pertaining to the unavoidable benefits in a correct, orderly, proven, workable heirarchy in which the sorts who break wind in the palaces of the mighty would in preference to 'entitlement' be productively employed in and embraced by a beneficent feudal mechanism?
Seriously and without going all D Wail, just spend a day or three identifying the calibre of your fellow countryfolk - we still have a great many decent geezers and geezettes (I mean, look at this place) - but I am convinced Britain is now choking in a Dante's Pit of unconscionable, illiterate, philistines with chronic behavioural and communication disorders.
or to put it more succinctly.However - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7987149.stm - a bit like the can of fizz which some peasant had tossed from their vehicle on the Tollbahn which clanged about my underside at a fair old lick last night.
"This is a problem caused by a minority who spoil things for everyone else..." but I would ask - as with the 95% of motorists who appear to be MLMs - is it a minority?
Is not Britain now a seething pot of gruntweavers, conditioned by grotesque homogenity forged in the fires of a totalitarian but hopelessly blind, wilfully ignorant, politically correct, media spun zeitgesit that has no ideas pertaining to the unavoidable benefits in a correct, orderly, proven, workable heirarchy in which the sorts who break wind in the palaces of the mighty would in preference to 'entitlement' be productively employed in and embraced by a beneficent feudal mechanism?
Seriously and without going all D Wail, just spend a day or three identifying the calibre of your fellow countryfolk - we still have a great many decent geezers and geezettes (I mean, look at this place
) - but I am convinced Britain is now choking in a Dante's Pit of unconscionable, illiterate, philistines with chronic behavioural and communication disorders.Dear God why is everyone so relentlessly
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