Prince Charles is a Muslim

[SKP555]

It sounds a bit crazy I know but this guy thinks so

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/11/is-prince-...

At the very least some of those comments seem a bit strange for someone who will become head of the Church of England when he grows up.

This one seems especially weird

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285332/Fo...

Total madness or is this guy on to something?

[Deptford Draylons]

He is thick as st enough to qualify as being religious, that's for sure. I think that's why the Queen is hanging on for a long as possible, to avert this wet idiot bringing an end to the monarchy.

[Ridgemont]

SKP555 said:

It sounds a bit crazy I know but this guy thinks so

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/11/is-prince-...

At the very least some of those comments seem a bit strange for someone who will become head of the Church of England when he grows up.

This one seems especially weird

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285332/Fo...

Total madness or is this guy on to something?

Think I'll go with option a (madness) given the important bit in that wail article:

Wail said:

The prince was speaking to an audience of scholars at the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies - which attempts to encourage a better understanding of the culture and civilisation of the religion.

If on the otherhand he had stumbled up to the pulpit in Westminster Abbey and started holding forth on the pillars of Islam, while doing a passable impression of TE Lawrence I might be a bit more convinced.

[Tom Logan]

SKP555 said:

It sounds a bit crazy I know but this guy thinks so

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/11/is-prince-...

"Sharp-tongued Julie Burchill asks in "What's not to like about Islam if you're the Prince of Wales,"

I wonder why Prince Charles seeks to big up powerful, theocratic Islam — which already controls so much land and wealth and yet will kill and kill to gain more — and not vulnerable, pluralistic Israel? Why doesn't he invest as much energy in defence of the persecuted and murdered Christians who suffer for their beliefs under Islamic regimes?

She then answers her own questions, much as Ali Sina does:

Well, I think I know why; because cleaving to Islam is the one way that men who wish to appear liberal and enlightened can promote reactionary ideas. Monarch-worshipping, woman-oppressing, non-democratic — what's there not for Charles to like!"

SKP555 said:

At the very least some of those comments seem a bit strange for someone who will become head of the Church of England when he grows up.

This one seems especially weird

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285332/Fo...

Total madness or is this guy on to something?

Ol' Big Ears is just an over-privileged inbred nutter and all of his inane ramblings on any subject should be treated with the contempt which they so richly deserve.

[SKP555]

Ridgemont said:

If on the otherhand he had stumbled up to the pulpit in Westminster Abbey and started holding forth on the pillars of Islam, while doing a passable impression of TE Lawrence I might be a bit more convinced.

I know it's not Westminster Abbey but he used his Christmas address on Thought for the Day to talk about Mohammed. That's what got me onto this and led me to the article linked above.

[Ridgemont]

SKP555 said:

Ridgemont said:

If on the otherhand he had stumbled up to the pulpit in Westminster Abbey and started holding forth on the pillars of Islam, while doing a passable impression of TE Lawrence I might be a bit more convinced.

I know it's not Westminster Abbey but he used his Christmas address on Thought for the Day to talk about Mohammed. That's what got me onto this and led me to the article linked above.

It was about tolerance and Freedom of expression in the face of religious persecution. The reference to Mohammed was to point out that in order for him to avoid persecution he ended up fleeing to Medina in the first place.

It may have escaped our somewhat myopic prince's attention that Mohammed then insisted the pagan statues around the Kaaba in Mecca be destroyed, on his return to Mecca, but I suspect that that wasn't the point he was making...

[SKP555]

Tom Logan said:

Ol' Big Ears is just an over-privileged inbred nutter and all of his inane ramblings on any subject should be treated with the contempt which they so richly deserve.

He's an over privileged inbred nutter set to be Head of State at some point in the not too distant future. Sadly.

[Tom Logan]

SKP555 said:

He's an over privileged inbred nutter set to be Head of State at some point in the not too distant future. Sadly.

If he HAS converted to Islam then that won't happen without a major constitutional upheaval, Wills will jump the queue.

[Eric Mc]

Look what happened to the last king who tried to change the state religion.

[Esseesse]

Eric Mc said:

Look what happened to the last king who tried to change the state religion.

More info please.

ETA: For a while I've thought that this area might result in some fireworks at our next coronation. Does our current 'equality and diversity' mindset mean that it will need to be a 'multicultural' affair. If it does, does that mean the Queen hasn't done her job properly (see coronation oath)?

Edited by Esseesse on Tuesday 3rd January 15:55

[Vocal Minority]

Esseesse said:

More info please.

ETA: For a while I've thought that this area might result in some fireworks at our next coronation. Does our current 'equality and diversity' mindset mean that it will need to be a 'multicultural' affair. If it does, does that mean the Queen hasn't done her job properly (see coronation oath)?

Edited by Esseesse on Tuesday 3rd January 15:55

In the same way that the Queen as the head of the CofE talks about God in her Christmas message - no. It wont

[Ridgemont]

Esseesse said:

Eric Mc said:

Look what happened to the last king who tried to change the state religion.

More info please.

ETA: For a while I've thought that this area might result in some fireworks at our next coronation. Does our current 'equality and diversity' mindset mean that it will need to be a 'multicultural' affair. If it does, does that mean the Queen hasn't done her job properly (see coronation oath)?

Edited by Esseesse on Tuesday 3rd January 15:55

Imagine the reference to the last king who intended to change the religion is to James II/VII (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_II_of_England). He was Roman Catholic and was turfed off the throne and a Dutchman took charge.

[Esseesse]

Ridgemont said:

Imagine the reference to the last king who intended to change the religion is to James II/VII (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_II_of_England). He was Roman Catholic and was turfed off the throne and a Dutchman took charge.

Ah yes, of course. Thanks

[LaSource]

Whilst I totally accept that a member of the royal family is a mascot for Britain and as such it would be very remarkable/strange/awkward/difficult if that member of the family was not from a traditional British faith - ie a Christian denomination. Even more so when that person becomes a Monarch.

...at the same time many of the arguments presented on this thread do not outline that the tradition of Britain should be protected (which is very understandable), but suggest that anyone converting to Islam is 'mad' and an advocate for some extreme ideas. I don't know how representative this forum is for the average Briton, but I've met many British converts to Islam and they are accepted members of society and are generally not considered 'mad'.

(having said that, I cannot say whether the prince is a little potty anyway as I do not know him well enough )

[Derek Smith]

Eric Mc said:

Look what happened to the last king who tried to change the state religion.

To whom are your referring?

There have been a number of monarchs who have tried to change the religion of England/Britain. Edward VI died early, but that was of tuberculosis (many reckon) so hardly anything to do with his faith, unless you believe that a god struck him down. He changed the country to protestantism from the catholic style of his old man. Then came bloody Bloody Mary who changed it back. The Liz who decided not to push in any particular direction but to favour protestants when convenient.

After that the was Jim I who changed the book of common prayer and this upset all the Americans in this country and they ran away. His son, Charles, he was a one, and he had catholic sympathies but whether he tried to change the state religion is not clear. Then Olly Cromwell, protestant, although a ruler was not a king and nor was his son. Charles II came to the throne but not with any conviction. Then James II whom everyone thought was going to change the state religion. He killed lots of protestants but did not have time to change the religion.

Finally Bill Orange and his Mrs. who were protestant and pushed their interpretation on the country, which brought no real conflict with the majority of the Kingdom. Then Anne, who was described a 'high church' which is tantamount to being seen as catholic, who unified Britain, which was a good thing for all concerned. It's been protestant with varying degrees of enthusiasm since then.

Most monarchs with convictions one way or the other have caused problems. They should keep out of politics and its bedfellow, religion.

The crown prince has repeatedly said that he wants to be inclusive. I've got no problem with that, as long as inclusive includes those without faith. If he does see himself as multi-faith then this must be seen as good as it is only another way of saying that what religions profess, that each and every one is the one true faith, is rubbish.

I don't see how a head of the country can be head of a minority belief, or any religion.

The last openly catholic king was Defender of the Faith Henry 8. It was all a bit complex and open to argument then until William clarified the matter.

[7mike]

Scrolled through the comments on the DM article and came across this:

"C'mon my Brit brethren, youve got to dump this guy and his family. Elect your own Head of State and Chief Executive. - KPD, St. James City, FL USA,"

At least will never get a finger anywhere near the button!

[Likes Fast Cars]

I'm now convinced Charles is a complete idiot with major issues. Total fking nut job.

[rscott]

SKP555 said:

It sounds a bit crazy I know but this guy thinks so

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/11/is-prince-...

At the very least some of those comments seem a bit strange for someone who will become head of the Church of England when he grows up.

This one seems especially weird

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285332/Fo...

Total madness or is this guy on to something?

Er, the first source doesn't strike me as a particularly dependable one... For example, http://www.danielpipes.org/5286/was-barack-obama-a... and http://www.danielpipes.org/5354/confirmed-barack-o... .

As for the second one, he was giving a speech to Islamic studies scholars - wouldn't it make sense to make mention that he thinks the Islamic teachings also share his views on reducing man's impact on the world?

[bitchstewie]

SKP555 said:

It sounds a bit crazy I know but this guy thinks so

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/11/is-prince-...

At the very least some of those comments seem a bit strange for someone who will become head of the Church of England when he grows up.

This one seems especially weird

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285332/Fo...

Total madness or is this guy on to something?

I'm hoping it's true simply to see how this place would react.

[Tom Logan]

Likes Fast Cars said:

I'm now convinced Charles is a complete idiot with major issues. Total fking nut job.

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