M-103 and the Future of blasphemy
Discussion
To me M-103 is Canada at it's most naive, it was pushed by a Muslim Brotherhood student and brings what i thought was an open inclusive and enlightened country closer to almost Sharia type laws.
To me it's a bundling of an ideology with race, it shows a willingness within the political elite to stifle any issues people have with Islam.
I'd like to know others thoughts on this. (keep it to the subject please, i know im not the kinda guy you'd want to kiss, thats been made clear)
To me it's a bundling of an ideology with race, it shows a willingness within the political elite to stifle any issues people have with Islam.
I'd like to know others thoughts on this. (keep it to the subject please, i know im not the kinda guy you'd want to kiss, thats been made clear)
That, in the opinion of the House, the government should:
(a) recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear;
(b) condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination and take note of House of Commons’ petition e-411 and the issues raised by it; and
(c) request that the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage undertake a study on how the government could
(i) develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making,
(ii) collect data to contextualize hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities, and that the Committee should present its findings and recommendations to the House no later than 240 calendar days from the adoption of this motion, provided that in its report, the Committee should make recommendations that the government may use to better reflect the enshrined rights and freedoms in the Constitution Acts, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
(a) recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear;
(b) condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination and take note of House of Commons’ petition e-411 and the issues raised by it; and
(c) request that the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage undertake a study on how the government could
(i) develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making,
(ii) collect data to contextualize hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities, and that the Committee should present its findings and recommendations to the House no later than 240 calendar days from the adoption of this motion, provided that in its report, the Committee should make recommendations that the government may use to better reflect the enshrined rights and freedoms in the Constitution Acts, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
what is islamiphobia defined though. a lot of people don't understand islam and are scared of it, therefore i think the word is wrong.
i do believe any 'to carry out a study on how racism and religious discrimination can be reduced and collect data on hate crimes.' is good news but it does seem a bit one-sided, a race hate law would cover it.
i do believe any 'to carry out a study on how racism and religious discrimination can be reduced and collect data on hate crimes.' is good news but it does seem a bit one-sided, a race hate law would cover it.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Friday 24th March 14:13
The Spruce goose said:
what is islamiphobia defined tough. a lot of people don;t understand islam and are scared of it, therefore i think the word is wrong.
i do believe any 'to carry out a study on how racism and religious discrimination can be reduced and collect data on hate crimes.' is good news but it does seem a bit onsided, a race hate law would cover it.
There is, as so often in the recent passing of motions and bills under the Liberal / Trudeau government, no clear definition.i do believe any 'to carry out a study on how racism and religious discrimination can be reduced and collect data on hate crimes.' is good news but it does seem a bit onsided, a race hate law would cover it.
The motion, while mentioning religion in general, mentions specifically Islamophobia to the exclusion of all other faiths.
Islam is a religion, not a people, nor the followers of the faith.
Phobia is an irrational fear.
When it was pointed out to the proposer that she had defined any act of discrimination or violence brought on by the irrational fear of a religion, she and her party refused to change the wording.
As the motion was being voted on within ten days of the attack on a Quebec mosque, very few MPs found the courage to vote against it, in spite of the open ended wording.
Canada's legal system is based on British Common Law and adds the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
In combination these protect everyone from any form of discrimination already, but the Liberals are Hell bent on adding category after category to the list of victim groups.
It is however a motion, and as such may amount to nothing. Given the Liberals' history under Trudeau, it seems more likely that some open to interpretation law will end up being passed, and as has already happened, the only real test will be the Supreme Court, and no one charged will likely be able to fund that level of appeal.
Yes blasphemy laws are on the cards. And a further attack on free speech in Canada.
The Spruce goose said:
what is islamiphobia defined though. a lot of people don't understand islam and are scared of it, therefore i think the word is wrong.
i do believe any 'to carry out a study on how racism and religious discrimination can be reduced and collect data on hate crimes.' is good news but it does seem a bit one-sided, a race hate law would cover it.
I think once you understand Islam, you become scared of it. When you don't understand it, or choose not to, you can live in a fluffy la la land of diversity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Y1KAHVWhUi do believe any 'to carry out a study on how racism and religious discrimination can be reduced and collect data on hate crimes.' is good news but it does seem a bit one-sided, a race hate law would cover it.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Friday 24th March 14:13
Countdown said:
del mar said:
But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?
Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
Lance Catarmaran said:
Countdown said:
del mar said:
But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?
Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects all groups by race, religion, sexual orientation, skin colour etc.
Guide to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
Section 15: Equality Rights
Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
The courts have held that section 15 also protects equality on the basis of other characteristics that are not specifically set out in it. For example, this section has been held to prohibit discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.
Lance Catarmaran said:
Countdown said:
del mar said:
But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?
Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
And what happens if those semites happen to be muslim? Could get confusing.....
Countdown said:
Lance Catarmaran said:
Countdown said:
del mar said:
But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?
Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
And what happens if those semites happen to be muslim? Could get confusing.....
Lance Catarmaran said:
Countdown said:
Lance Catarmaran said:
Countdown said:
del mar said:
But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?
Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
And what happens if those semites happen to be muslim? Could get confusing.....
rscott said:
Lance Catarmaran said:
Countdown said:
Lance Catarmaran said:
Countdown said:
del mar said:
But why do you need a specific law to quell anti muslim bigotry ?
Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
It seems that anti-semitism is illegal as well. Why do the tribe of Shem need a specific law to protect them?Why does islam / muslims require a special mention in law ?
And what happens if those semites happen to be muslim? Could get confusing.....
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