“National Conservatism”
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Still not entirely sure that this isn’t an elaborate trolling exercise, but it would appear that they are happy to form a grouping with a name which has unfortunate historical connotations (and which could be abbreviated to the “Nat-Cs”) and to start ranting about national identity, the threat of Marxism and the need for pronatalist policies. Perhaps Rees-Mogg can be forgiven on the grounds that it’s all a bit too modern for him, but presumably at least some of them are familiar with 20th Century European history?
It’s not a good look.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/15/l...
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr...
It’s not a good look.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/15/l...
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr...
Vanden Saab said:
Winner of the NP&E tenuous connections award 2023 and it is still only May. Are the links to unfortunate historical connotations also as tenuous as 'Nat-Cs'? It would not have been complete without links to the rag that has just had to remove a racist cartoon from it's website. Well played.
I appreciate that you are precisely the sort of individual this wing of the party thinks will vote for them, but I honestly think you’d still defend them if Mogg adopted a Hitler tache and pranced around the stage goose stepping like John Cleese.
Hopefully they’ll get wiped out at the general election and return as a moderate, economically centre right and socially liberal party after purging the headbangers. They can all go join the NF and take their supporters with them.
Vanden Saab said:
God no, I am a confirmed agnostic atheist with a strong dislike of most religions. I do find it amusing that the OP has bypassed Godwin's law by going there in his original post though. No doubt this group are planning ahead for the inevitable change to PR. some seem to be supporting when small parties like this will hold the balance of power.... see Scotland for details...
I didn’t go there, they did, with their bizarre choice of name and policies straight out of the 1940’s fascist playbook. Vanden Saab said:
Which ones in particular?
Pronatalism;https://blogs.dickinson.edu/quallsk/2013/09/19/ger...
Invocation of Marxism as a bogeyman
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-arch...
I assume that I don’t need to evidence Nazi propaganda around nationalism and identity?
s2art said:
2xChevrons said:
Cultural Marxism = classic hard-right euphemism, beloved of Viktor Orban. A meaningless term that has its origins as a Nazi antisemitic conspiracy theory.
You sure about that? Seehttps://fee.org/articles/antonio-gramsci-the-godfa...
s2art said:
Sort of missing the point - that's another description of the history of some ideas which are labelled "Cultural Marxism". I think this is more what 2Chevrons was getting at;
https://antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/202...
pequod said:
If the above policies were proposed by a political party and, in a free democratic vote, the candidates of said party gained the majority, would that be wrong given we are supposed to be a democracy?
It would be a sad indictment of the state of the country if it did. Also quite peculiar given that less than half the population describe themselves as "Christian" on the census, and that when you dig into how people answer those questions you get people who don't believe in any of the tenets of the religion describing themselves as such.ZedLeg said:
Just FYI being socially progressive and fiscally conservatives means you end up doing nothing. You need progressive economic policy to pay for progressive social policy.
People tend to say "liberal" rather than progressive in that context, and they're not talking about redistributive economic and social policies but about things like women's reproductive rights, LGBT rights, racial and sexual equality, tolerance, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, etc. They're largely disconnected from economic policy. There have been some very socially illiberal, very economically left wing regimes.smn159 said:
bigothunter said:
smn159 said:
Not sure what point you are trying to make - Moggs religious fruit loopery is OK because a virtue signalling police chief said something about woke in 2021?
Are your views really that easily bought?
You trivialised being anti-woke. I merely highlighted that Manchester's population and chief constable did not agree.Are your views really that easily bought?
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