Javier Milei wins Argentina election
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Javier Milei - Libertarian, ancap. Plans to abolish the Argentine central bank, dollarize the country and cut Government spending. Hopefully diverting Argentina away from the corrosive grip of self-destructuve socialism.
I'm hopeful he can achieve this, for my Argentine friends, but best to judge by results, not intentions when it comes to government policy.
The main stream press are of course having had a field day declaring him Far-Right, and various other Trump-esque epithets.
Javier Milei - Libertarian, ancap. Plans to abolish the Argentine central bank, dollarize the country and cut Government spending. Hopefully diverting Argentina away from the corrosive grip of self-destructuve socialism.
I'm hopeful he can achieve this, for my Argentine friends, but best to judge by results, not intentions when it comes to government policy.
The main stream press are of course having had a field day declaring him Far-Right, and various other Trump-esque epithets.
Square Leg said:
Just been watching some of his interviews.
He’s very, um - frank - as politicians go
Doesn’t beat about the bush…
This is a man who called his dogs after the original Conan and the economists Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman, and Robert Lucas. He’s very, um - frank - as politicians go
Doesn’t beat about the bush…
His views on the socialist decline of a once very rich and prosperous nation are... well, a brief summation:
Javier Milei, an Argentine economist and politician, is a staunch critic of socialism and often uses harsh language to describe socialists in media interviews. He has called them "brutes" and "ignorant," and has accused them of being motivated by envy and resentment.
Milei's criticisms of socialism are rooted in his strong belief in capitalism and individual liberty. He argues that socialism is a system of oppression that stifles economic growth and personal freedom. He believes that capitalism, on the other hand, is the only system that can create prosperity and opportunity for all.
Milei's views on socialism are controversial, and he has been accused of being a demagogue and a fascist. However, he remains a popular figure in Argentina, and his criticisms of socialism resonate with many voters.
Here are some specific examples of how Milei has described socialists in media interviews:
In an interview with The Economist in September 2023, Milei said that socialists are "brutes" and "ignorant" who "do not have a good base of micro-foundations" and "have no knowledge of finance."
In an interview with Tucker Carlson in September 2023, Milei said that socialism is an "economic, social, and cultural failure" that has "murdered 150 million human beings."
In a speech to supporters in October 2023, Milei said that socialism is a "disease" that must be "eradicated."
Milei's criticisms of socialism are often harsh and inflammatory, but they are also a reflection of his strong belief in capitalism and individual liberty. He believes that socialism is a system that is fundamentally incompatible with freedom and prosperity, and he is determined to fight against its spread.
CivicDuties said:
Have I got this right, he thinks it's fine if you want to get paid to have your kidney removed, but woe betide you if you want or indeed need to have an undeveloped foetus removed?
The man is quite clearly a moron, and the people of Argentina have quite clearly taken leave of their senses, again.
There's no way this ends well.
He's a hard line libertarian and self identified Catholic, although with no love for the Pope and the Catholic establishment. The man is quite clearly a moron, and the people of Argentina have quite clearly taken leave of their senses, again.
There's no way this ends well.
His critique is rooted in libertarian principles, particularly the non-aggression principle. This extends to his position on social issues, such as abortion and euthanasia, where he sees these actions as infringing on property rights, drawing parallels with theft.
In the realm of abortion, Milei takes an uncompromising stance, deeming it morally indefensible even in cases of rape. He supports abortion only when the life of the mother is at risk.
You should watch the Tucker Carlson interview that he did with him.
This is a short clip that explains his position on abortion: https://x.com/ningshensorei/status/172646679869723...
F1GTRUeno said:
So in your OP you basically suggest the media are labelling him for no fair reason due to disagreement with his stance.
Then in this post give perfect reasons why they're labelling him as such.
Not sure why your OP was toned as such if you knew?
It's a useless catch all label, much over used, lost all rhetorical meaning, that invokes an emotional response and has no nuance. Libertarianism is like every political 'class' in that there is nuance even within the label. It's distinctly opposite authoritarianism. Then in this post give perfect reasons why they're labelling him as such.
Not sure why your OP was toned as such if you knew?
The confusion also comes from that while is absolute in his own personal moral stance he has said that he will put the current 14 week abortion law up for a referendum for the people to decide.
https://buenosairesherald.com/politics/milei-says-...
Mrr T said:
There a much bigger problem than just the bond markets. That problem is who banks the government.
His main policy is abolishment of the central bank. Private banking only, dollarise when able. Government must spend within its budget, hence the promise to cut spending by an initial 15%. Countdown said:
If it's "somebody else's body" why does a woman have to be forced to keep it inside HER?
The hard line answer is the idea that that human beings should take responsibility for the consequences of their actions and in other cases that since the unborn foetus cannot defend itself outside the mother that those rights should be enshrined in law. Mrr T said:
One thing about most economists is they have no idea how money works. His main policy is simply impossible to implement. A government must have a bank account to receive taxes and other amounts and make payments. The central bank provides that account. Abolish the central bank and you would need a commercial bank to provide an account and no commercial bank would want the risk. As for trying to dollarise the economy. Then you need a bank with access to US dollar clearing so absolutely none of those banks would want to bank a government.
What's the old adage, “Many Things Are Possible Just as Long as You Don’t Know They’re Impossible”.His central bank rhetoric is far more about the willful creation of money from nothing to support deficit spending. I'm sure he could achieve the same aims by maintaining the actual institution but remove the capability for credit creation.
Argentina’s per capita GDP globally ranked, during classical liberalism and after imposition of socialism.
I've heard rumors of 50% of the population are state employees (I'm assuming they didn't vote overwhelmingly for Milei). Which if true, just shows how encroachment of government size affects actual economic productivity and trying to keep up with obligations they print money and cause inflation.
I've heard rumors of 50% of the population are state employees (I'm assuming they didn't vote overwhelmingly for Milei). Which if true, just shows how encroachment of government size affects actual economic productivity and trying to keep up with obligations they print money and cause inflation.
https://x.com/mualphaxi/status/1726442723949814201...
Good short video clip from one of his English interviews on the pitfalls of Socialism and forcing them to fight fair.
Good short video clip from one of his English interviews on the pitfalls of Socialism and forcing them to fight fair.
CivicDuties said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
CivicDuties said:
I feel certain that's a great comfort to the people of the Falklands Islands.
Is there anything to suggest that their independence is any more under threat than it was last week?"Mr Milei, 53, said in the debate: "We had a war – that we lost – and now we have to make every effort to recover the islands through diplomatic channels."
I don't see what's controversial about that?
(also, he's not far right)
Tankrizzo said:
I just don't get the whole "I believe in small state and not being told what to do by faceless bureaucrats" which is then followed by "belief in God is the cornerstone of a decent hierarchy". Surely one runs counter to the other.
I think the idea would be that religion teaches us each how to properly use the freedom that we have, whereas libertarianism merely clarifies what freedom is. tangerine_sedge said:
RichTT said:
I think the idea would be that religion teaches us each how to properly use the freedom that we have, whereas libertarianism merely clarifies what freedom is.
The freedom to rape little boys, then get your bishop to cover it up? To commit genocide and kill those people who believe in different things? To restrict certain parts of society and ensure your 'lot' retain control?Religion should be kept out of politics, it brings nothing but hate and division.
All libertarians begin with a conception of personal autonomy from which they argue in favor of civil liberties and a reduction or elimination of the state.
Secondly of importance is the concept of property. That includes ownership over your own physical body and the products of its labor.
Things that would, and should be set out in law to punish those who transgress against those basic fundamental rights of freedom. Bearing also in mind that Milei is technically an Ancap (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism) and is more in line with the ethics of the Non Aggression Principle.
On the moral point of view, the ten commandments would prohibit both of those.
THOU SHALT NOT KILL. - unjust killing; suicide; abortion; sterilization; dueling; endangering life and limb of self or others.
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. - theft; damage to the property of others
In 2020 Milei called Pope Francis an “imbecile” and “the representative of the Evil One on earth” because he defends “social justice.”
He has also called Pope Francis a “filthy leftist,” an “embarrassing communist,” a “piece of s
t” and a “potato.” (The Spanish word for “pope” also means “potato.”)So he has no particular love for the catholic state as an institution it would appear.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/world/americas/...
Edited by RichTT on Wednesday 22 November 04:15
Mabbs9 said:
Was discussed previously. "Now we have to see how we are going to get them back. It is clear that the war option is not a solution.
"We had a war - that we lost - and now we have to make every effort to recover the islands through diplomatic channels."
President Merkin said:
I'm sure the 2 in 5 Argentinians livng in poverty are reassured by Rch's explanation a potential war involvng their children is merely a benign policy position as they pray there are no unforeseen consequences of desperately rolling the let's hope this right wing crackpot fixes everything dice.
His words, not mine. "Now we have to see how we are going to get them back. It is clear that the war option is not a solution.
"We had a war - that we lost - and now we have to make every effort to recover the islands through diplomatic channels."
President Merkin said:
I'll merely repeat there is a danger in blindly cleving to someone you perceive to be on your end of the political spectrum to the exclusion of everything, becoming in itself a sufficient hill to die on.
I don't trust any politician further than I could throw them. Do I believe his intentions, yes, but just as you should judge any political program by its results not its intentions, I fully expect to be let down. I agree with a lot of his Libertarian rhetoric on economics and fundamental freedoms of self. I make no denial of that. In that sense I am a single issue voter. If he achieves this, I think it will be good for Argentina.
President Merkin said:
I guess when you say a few silly headlines, you actually mean his own words reported accurtately. But no surprise you choose to miss the point.
Milei: "War is not an option, we have to use diplomacy"You: "He's going to invade the Falklands!"
:shrug:
President Merkin said:
Zzzz. If you're going to lie, at least do so in a way that isn't easily searchable just a couple of posts above. Otoh, it's an excellent example of the contortions you have to put yourself through in order to maintain the ridiculous duality I explained above.
President Merkin said:
I'm sure the 2 in 5 Argentinians livng in poverty are reassured by Rch's explanation a potential war involvng their children is merely a benign policy position as they pray there are no unforeseen consequences of desperately rolling the let's hope this right wing crackpot fixes everything dice.
It was you that brought up War, not him in any quotes I've seen. If you have evidence of his potential warmongering please share. 
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