Lib Dems... why are they so overlooked?
Discussion
Watching some of the clips from last night's future Chancellor debate got me thinking.
Everything I've heard from the Lib Dems seems to make sense. They cut through the bull crap spouted by the other two parties, they seem more in touch with what actually needs to be done to rectify the problems Labour has landed us in, they shy away from the usual sniping of the other two (i.e. bad mouthing other parties) and they generally seem like real people who are concerended about the country's well being rather than their own political craving for power.
Why are they overlooked so readily?
I personally hear way too often, 'i like their policies but they'll never get in, so it's a wasted vote'.
If everyone who thought like this voted for them I think they'd get somewhere.
What do you guys think?
Everything I've heard from the Lib Dems seems to make sense. They cut through the bull crap spouted by the other two parties, they seem more in touch with what actually needs to be done to rectify the problems Labour has landed us in, they shy away from the usual sniping of the other two (i.e. bad mouthing other parties) and they generally seem like real people who are concerended about the country's well being rather than their own political craving for power.
Why are they overlooked so readily?
I personally hear way too often, 'i like their policies but they'll never get in, so it's a wasted vote'.
If everyone who thought like this voted for them I think they'd get somewhere.
What do you guys think?
perdu said:
maix27 said:
Watching some of the clips from last night's future Chancellor debate got me thinking.
Everything I've heard from the Lib Dems seems to make sense. They cut through the bull crap spouted by the other two parties, they seem more in touch with what actually needs to be done to rectify the problems Labour has landed us in, they shy away from the usual sniping of the other two (i.e. bad mouthing other parties) and they generally seem like real people who are concerended about the country's well being rather than their own political craving for power.
Why are they overlooked so readily?
I personally hear way too often, 'i like their policies but they'll never get in, so it's a wasted vote'.
If everyone who thought like this voted for them I think they'd get somewhere.
What do you guys think?
Maybe because they are publically too far up the European Union's orifice. I hate the EU with passion even though I love France, two different issuesEverything I've heard from the Lib Dems seems to make sense. They cut through the bull crap spouted by the other two parties, they seem more in touch with what actually needs to be done to rectify the problems Labour has landed us in, they shy away from the usual sniping of the other two (i.e. bad mouthing other parties) and they generally seem like real people who are concerended about the country's well being rather than their own political craving for power.
Why are they overlooked so readily?
I personally hear way too often, 'i like their policies but they'll never get in, so it's a wasted vote'.
If everyone who thought like this voted for them I think they'd get somewhere.
What do you guys think?
Their policies on Europe have been a good reason for me to vote "anyone but the above" when I gets to ballotting.
And there's a serious "too much smarm" about Clegg for me too. CMD's bad enough but blimey...
With regard to cars, you're right, there are some off the wall ideas, but we all know off the wall ideas never get far. What they have said is they're going to make a dedicated effort to sort out public transport which i think will be of benefit to anyone who owns a car and has to sit in traffic every morning not enjoying it.
Their ideas on Policing, prisons and crime i think are refreshing, let's face it, what we're doing at the moment isn't working.
I think that's my main point: Labour and conservatives are going to do the same things, there is a whisker's difference between the two where Lib Dems are offering some new thinking to a society that is bogged down with politics and too many schemes to do this and that and to try and please the masses... Why not give change a chance, it can't get much worse than this!
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Deva Link said:
maix27 said:
Everything I've heard from the Lib Dems seems to make sense. They cut through the bull crap spouted by the other two parties, they seem more in touch with what actually needs to be done to rectify the problems Labour has landed us in, they shy away from the usual sniping of the other two (i.e. bad mouthing other parties) and they generally seem like real people who are concerended about the country's well being rather than their own political craving for power.
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
You're the one advocating the Lib Dems
ETA. And you stated there's nothing we can do about membership to the EU, however UKIP seem to think otherwise. I must have missed the part where they don't actually qualify as a real party.
Edited by cocopop on Tuesday 30th March 13:43
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
You're the one advocating the Lib Dems
ETA. And you stated there's nothing we can do about membership to the EU, however UKIP seem to think otherwise. I must have missed the part where they don't actually qualify as a real party.
Edited by cocopop on Tuesday 30th March 13:43
I think it's quite hypocritical to consider the Lib Dems as a viable alternative to Labour and the Tories, and completely write off UKIP. In a lot of people's eyes UKIP have considerably more credibility than the Lib Dems.
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
UKIP are a bunch of idiots, voted for by idiots or bigots... a slight step away from the BNP if you ask me.
I don't believe anyone did. As a potential supporter of the illiberal dumbocrats it ill behoves you to impugn the intelligence or morality of any other poster.Well i look forward to another 10/15 years of the same old, s
t politics where the party in power is out for nothing more than personal gain and power.
People in this country will work it out one day, I just suspect that it'll be too late.
I have to agree with what people are saying, the Lib Dems have no chance of getting into power. That's as much down to the media and the status quo as it is anything else.
What we need in this country is a political shake up. Can Labour or Conservatives offer this? I think not. Can Lib Dems offer this? I think they are showing signs that they wouldn't be a conventional party and that's what I want to see, a proper shake up.
I want to see politicians who care about the country and the people in it, this may be coupled with a few 'crazy' ideas but, as I said before, our current system isn't working and from what I can see there's no real change ahead.
People in this country are too set in their ways, too acceptable to sound bites and spin and to laissez-faire to really do anything about it, I mean, who wants to rock a comfortable boat? I mean, look at the housing market, everyone is really happy it's back on the up as it's what we're used to. No one's sat down and said, hang on, this can't continue like this.
Essentially what the two main parties will do is hope for a slow assent from the mess we're in and then go straight back to their liberty-taking ways.
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
t politics where the party in power is out for nothing more than personal gain and power. People in this country will work it out one day, I just suspect that it'll be too late.
I have to agree with what people are saying, the Lib Dems have no chance of getting into power. That's as much down to the media and the status quo as it is anything else.
What we need in this country is a political shake up. Can Labour or Conservatives offer this? I think not. Can Lib Dems offer this? I think they are showing signs that they wouldn't be a conventional party and that's what I want to see, a proper shake up.
I want to see politicians who care about the country and the people in it, this may be coupled with a few 'crazy' ideas but, as I said before, our current system isn't working and from what I can see there's no real change ahead.
People in this country are too set in their ways, too acceptable to sound bites and spin and to laissez-faire to really do anything about it, I mean, who wants to rock a comfortable boat? I mean, look at the housing market, everyone is really happy it's back on the up as it's what we're used to. No one's sat down and said, hang on, this can't continue like this.
Essentially what the two main parties will do is hope for a slow assent from the mess we're in and then go straight back to their liberty-taking ways.
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
Davi said:
maix27 said:
That's why they'll be getting my vote.
well that's one vote.wow, 100% increase on last time surely?
People also need to bear in mind that they would hold a good amount of power in a split parliament. I'm almost hoping for that, might bring some (proper) democracy back to UK politics.
pkitchen said:
maix27 said:
Well i look forward to another 10/15 years of the same old, st politics where the party in power is out for nothing more than personal gain and power.
People in this country will work it out one day, I just suspect that it'll be too late.
I have to agree with what people are saying, the Lib Dems have no chance of getting into power. That's as much down to the media and the status quo as it is anything else.
What we need in this country is a political shake up. Can Labour or Conservatives offer this? I think not. Can Lib Dems offer this? I think they are showing signs that they wouldn't be a conventional party and that's what I want to see, a proper shake up.
I want to see politicians who care about the country and the people in it, this may be coupled with a few 'crazy' ideas but, as I said before, our current system isn't working and from what I can see there's no real change ahead.
People in this country are too set in their ways, too acceptable to sound bites and spin and to laissez-faire to really do anything about it, I mean, who wants to rock a comfortable boat? I mean, look at the housing market, everyone is really happy it's back on the up as it's what we're used to. No one's sat down and said, hang on, this can't continue like this.
Essentially what the two main parties will do is hope for a slow assent from the mess we're in and then go straight back to their liberty-taking ways.
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
Well said. 2 party politics is a pain in the arse. They can have my vote too. We will be in power soon t politics where the party in power is out for nothing more than personal gain and power. People in this country will work it out one day, I just suspect that it'll be too late.
I have to agree with what people are saying, the Lib Dems have no chance of getting into power. That's as much down to the media and the status quo as it is anything else.
What we need in this country is a political shake up. Can Labour or Conservatives offer this? I think not. Can Lib Dems offer this? I think they are showing signs that they wouldn't be a conventional party and that's what I want to see, a proper shake up.
I want to see politicians who care about the country and the people in it, this may be coupled with a few 'crazy' ideas but, as I said before, our current system isn't working and from what I can see there's no real change ahead.
People in this country are too set in their ways, too acceptable to sound bites and spin and to laissez-faire to really do anything about it, I mean, who wants to rock a comfortable boat? I mean, look at the housing market, everyone is really happy it's back on the up as it's what we're used to. No one's sat down and said, hang on, this can't continue like this.
Essentially what the two main parties will do is hope for a slow assent from the mess we're in and then go straight back to their liberty-taking ways.
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
I knew I'd be fighting an uphill battle on PH, I suspect it accounts for a good proportion of the Conservative voting base
Davi said:
maix27 said:
Thanks for the intelligent input.
People also need to bear in mind that they would hold a good amount of power in a split parliament. I'm almost hoping for that, might bring some (proper) democracy back to UK politics.
There can be no intelligent debate on politics. All politicians are self serving, only their colours change. Each side in a debate simply chimes up that they believe their set of colours are true to their word, as you are now with your new found party, no one will ever change their opinion. People also need to bear in mind that they would hold a good amount of power in a split parliament. I'm almost hoping for that, might bring some (proper) democracy back to UK politics.
Lib dems are IMO the absolute worst of the bunch as they are driven by petty envy but without being so open about it as Labour.
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
PH, I suspect it accounts for a good proportion of the Conservative voting base
Perhaps, I however have never been able to vote for a party as none of them come even close to my political philosophy. I always have to vote 'least worst', for me LD is really not that vote, unless forced on me tactically. The shakeup that needs to happen is the end of 'representative democracy' dominated by party machines - it isn't representative and it isn't democratic. Sadly I fear I'll be but a fond memory before anything quite so seismic occurs in the field of politics.I also think they're the only party that sees it like this also. They've said a lot about changing the face of politics. I don't think it's the right answer, as above, i think we need a real change, but I see them as a step in the right direction.
essexplumber said:
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
You're the one advocating the Lib Dems
ETA. And you stated there's nothing we can do about membership to the EU, however UKIP seem to think otherwise. I must have missed the part where they don't actually qualify as a real party.
Edited by cocopop on Tuesday 30th March 13:43
I was looking for other people's opinions, care to share yours rather than throwing around ignorant comments?
Phil1 said:
maix27 said:
essexplumber said:
maix27 said:
UKIP are a bunch of idiots, voted for by idiots or bigots... a slight step away from the BNP if you ask me.
Maix27. I'm getting the feeling that you lean very much into the left and that you may be a bit of a troll.I was looking for other people's opinions, care to share yours rather than throwing around ignorant comments?
maix27 said:
UKIP are a bunch of idiots, voted for by idiots or bigots... a slight step away from the BNP if you ask me.
It's not like I haven't put any thought in to it... now that would be trolling.
I sit left of centre, a bit too far left for any of the UK political parties to represent my views.
Anyone who says Labour are left wing is deluded.
I have no problem disagreeing my with my views, I love a good debate and I like hearing the views of others.
Calling me a troll though... give me a break.
essexplumber said:
Willie Dee said:
essexplumber said:
If you are a bit too far to the left what are you on a car lovers site for? You and your ilk hate cars, you hate symbols of success, you don't want the guy next door to have 1p more than you. I've just looked at your profile and although you've been on here a while the topics you discuss are rarely car related. Now tell me your not a troll.
Your rediculous. Maybe the extreme far left could be accused of wanting even distribution of wealth and extremest environmentalists hate cars, but tarring anyone left of centre with the same brush is extremely foolish.
It is akin to saying that anyone who is voting conservative is a Nazi who wants to burn poor people in ovens.
so what you're saying is that someone can't be left wing and like cars? does it go the other way? If you're right wing you don't like recycling and hemp bags?
In regard to my 'car loving' credentials, i used to work for a relatively well known group of car magazines, i have a strong appreciation of engineering, particularly automotive and have a keen interest in all things car based. I didn't realise there was a test on how much you like cars to post on Pistonheads, especially in the 'politics and economics' sector. Why else would i be here anyway?
Back on the subject. These 'poor people' have been a burden on our society for too long, I disagree with such a massivly burdened welfare state. So far, the Lib dems are the only party who have a sound response to getting these people back into work, with the £10K tax limit and cutting of benefits for the long term unemployed. Having left wing views doesn't mean i'm happy for people to sit around and watch Jeremey Kyle all day, it's about enabling those that want to work. The Labour government places people in a place where it's better off to not work. i want that to change.
I agree that Lib Dem's ideas on cars and the environment are a bit off, but let's face it, they're never going to put all of their ideas in action. If we can get the lower classes working instead of sponging i think we'd be in a stronger society, meaning the well off aren't so burdened in the long run.
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