Why are the Tories the best!

[anonymous-user]

Good afternoon all!

There has been much political debate on here with the run up to the election and it very much appears that the PH majority are of the Conservative persuasion!

The question I ask is why should I vote Tory? Why are they the best bet? What are they going to do for me? This is not a dig at the Conservative, it’s just I would like to hear from people who understand the Party rather than all the media bullst! I'd like to know why they are good not how crap the others are!

Where I live is supposedly a safe Lib Dem seat (Cornwall), but I'm just not convinced by them! They appear to have some very good ideas, but also some amazingly stupid ones too!

What’s the best vote to get rid of Gordy!

Cheers!

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MonkeyMatt said:

What are they going to do for me?

if you work for a living hopefully tax you less than the others. if you scrounge for a living or work for the state hopefully pay you less.

XTR2Turbo said:

I just wish we could have a party that clearly articulated what I would say were old fashioned basic values in the UK and common sense. That is:

Good education for all
Work hard to succeed
Wealth creation and aspiration to better yourself
Encourage entrpreneurs and business
Personal accountability and responsibility
Fair taxation and looking after those in their moment of need
Efficient and accessible public services
... but not supporting those that are just bone idle, lazy and creating a controlling superstate

xtr2 for pm
or at the very least transport minister

Edited by fbrs on Thursday 22 April 18:36

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fbrs said:

MonkeyMatt said:

What are they going to do for me?

if you work for a living hopefully tax you less than the others. if you scrounge for a living or work for the state hopefully pay you less.

XTR2Turbo said:

I just wish we could have a party that clearly articulated what I would say were old fashioned basic values in the UK and common sense. That is:

Good education for all
Work hard to succeed
Wealth creation and aspiration to better yourself
Encourage entrpreneurs and business
Personal accountability and responsibility
Fair taxation and looking after those in their moment of need
Efficient and accessible public services
... but not supporting those that are just bone idle, lazy and creating a controlling superstate

xtr2 for pm
or at the very least transport minister

As a married man in my early thirties I want to buy my first house and start a family, I am a car man (this is PH after all) but I also think the environment is important! I am quite happy to work hard, always have , though I'm a student about to graduate and the job market is looking a little grim! So are the Torries the best for me?

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MonkeyMatt said:

So are the Torries the best for me?

to be honest i have no idea, guess it depends if you get a job or not. the reason the economy is screwed in the 1st place is the total economic mismanagement of this government. (the national debt had already doubled before the recession!). the choice is more brown (who caused this), libdem (even more taxes and even higher welfare) or tory (blah). given the pathetic choices im voting blah. the last time labour were in power they bankrupted the country too and we ended up on our knees begging for handouts from the IMF, the torys picked up the pieces then, i just hope they have the balls to do it again.

Edited by fbrs on Thursday 22 April 20:04

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Matt Black said:

I think the Tories will financially cripple some families if they get in as I think they'll bump interest rates up again like last time, there is no good party to vote for IMHO, scary times ahead

jesus christ. where do i start? firstly the chancellor hasn't set interest rates for 13 years, the bank of england does and it has one mandate; to target cpi (set by brown at 2%). cpi currently at 3.1% so unless you think its going lower its an inevitability that rates will be going up at some point. secondly the BOE is going to try to hold off hiking until the economy is showing clear signs of recovery so you are berating whichever party gets in for the economy getting better!!!

base rates are about 4.5% below recent average (last 10 years), if you can only just service your debt with base rates at 0.5% i'm sorry but you've got very big problems completely regardless of who gets in.

Edited by fbrs on Friday 23 April 00:02

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rypt said:

That BS though, Brown has direct control over CPI via fuel duty and so on ... so he can influence whether the rates are likely to rise or fall

ffs of course the government can effect cpi. obviously fiscal and monetary policy both effect inflation. are you seriously suggesting a tory government will hike fuel tax and VAT in order to increase CPI to force the Bank of England to hike rates? WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? so that they have to pay higher coupons on 200bn of index linked debt or so they have to pay higher index linked public sector pensions? maybe you're suggesting the next government, whoever, will cut duty and vat to force the BOE to cut rates to zero? interest rates are the means to an end (controlling inflation), not the end.

what exactly are you saying is BS?

Edited by fbrs on Friday 23 April 01:36

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rypt said:

Brown clearly wanted increasing interest rates as he hiked fuel duty which in turn hiked CPI

right obviously, i had no idea. and why would brown want higher inflation and interest rates?

Edited by fbrs on Friday 23 April 01:11

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Don said:

Tory policy has varied widely over the years with regard to specifics.

You shouldn't look too closely at "policy". What matters more is "philospophy".

Traditionally the Conservatives are philospohically wedded to the idea of the individual being the most important rather than the state. Hence they tend to prefer policies where the individual has more freedoms AND responsibilities rather than fewer.

If you think that "Something Must Be Done" and it's "The Government's Job" to do it then you should vote Labour - as they will want to employ public servants to do it.

If you think "Surely it's my choice" then consider the Conservatives.

As always you will be able to find exceptions. IMO these prove the rule.

nicely put, i didnt think of it like that before

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rypt said:

fbrs said:

rypt said:

Brown clearly wanted increasing interest rates as he hiked fuel duty which in turn hiked CPI

right obviously, i had no idea. and why would brown want higher inflation and interest rates?

For the same reason he sold gold at a low? Because he's a moron?

well we can agree on that

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rypt said:

a higher rate of inflation works out better for the borrower (the government)

for 600bn of the non-index-linked debt you are right, inflation effectively reduces the value of the debt.

BUT

we are running close to 200bn deficit (meaning we need to borrow 200bn MORE!) and old debt that is maturing needs 're-borrowing' all of which costs more in a high interest/inflation economy. secondly, 200bn of gilts are index linked and unfunded public sector pensions of 1000+ bn are index linked, so cost more directly in line with rpi/cpi.

maybe brown only gets the first bit. maybe he's just trying to screw his successor...

either way the tw*t should be hanged and his head put on a spike on tower bridge