What did you haggle for with your house?

[SpeckledJim]

e8_pack said:

SpeckledJim said:

You don't know it was a very good offer. You only know it was good enough.

But it's only good enough to buy the house. If you now want the house plus A, B and C without expecting the price to change, you need your vendors to do you a big favour, not the other way round..

You're going to be a real pain in their arse, aren't you?!

If i was dealing with you, it wouldn't go well at all.

So what are you going to expect from them? What do you think they'll say when you say "ok, so the house is mine for 280k - what else are you going to give me?"

Given you've shown your hand, and they've accepted your offer, what do you think is reasonable that they throw in?

Have you ever sold a car? Once the deal was done did you pop down to the post office to bung 12 months tax on it?

[e8_pack]

Well it's already been pointed out the estate agent is working for the seller so I will go and see them this week to clarify what will be left in the house. I can then gauge how much they value my offer. Going by current feedback it won't be much! So at least it's been good experience.

[vescaegg]

OP, YOU made the offer and they accepted. This is al your doing. They have no obligation to leave anything other than fixtures and fittings to you. Why would they without wanting more money.

Don't forget they accepted YOUR offer for their house not including goods inside.

Fine you are a first time buyer so don't know much, but that's not their problem - you should have researched first.

Don't make this out to be you being hard done by. If you didn't research more you would still be happy with your original offer which was accepted.

Edited by vescaegg on Sunday 3rd March 01:09

[morrisk1]

Having had a previous house sale fall through without a valid reason this kind of thing really irritates me. I hope the sales goes through OP and they are generous sellers, however I have a terrible feeling you'll end up pulling out (Hopefully proven wrong!)

Edit : in our sale we negotiated 12.5pc discount and carpets, curtains, dishwasher and oven were included. All done with our final offer.

Edited by morrisk1 on Sunday 3rd March 03:59

[e8_pack]

vescaegg said:

OP, YOU made the offer and they accepted. This is al your doing. They have no obligation to leave anything other than fixtures and fittings to you. Why would they without wanting more money.

Don't forget they accepted YOUR offer for their house not including goods inside.

Fine you are a first time buyer so don't know much, but that's not their problem - you should have researched first.

Don't make this out to be you being hard done by. If you didn't research more you would still be happy with your original offer which was accepted.

Edited by vescaegg on Sunday 3rd March 01:09

I've considered your reply and decided to pull out. I am going to see another house next week.

remember the golden rule, "he who has the gold makes the rules".

Touche.

[anonymous-user]

Why not find out what your offer buys you before storming off like a spoilt child?

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 3rd March 08:36

[caprirob]

garyhun said:

Why not find out what you're offer buys you before storming off like a spoilt child?

Agreed

No one has messed you around - the sellers of this house are at this momemnt thinking everything is all Ok and making plans and you're going to pull the rug out from under them for no reason other than you didnt negotiate properly in the first place ?

Talk to the agent and see what is included in the sale - as previously mentioned its quite likely that carpets/curtains and probably light fittings will be left anyway - did you seriously expect them to leave much else ?

[e8_pack]

garyhun said:

Why not find out what your offer buys you before storming off like a spoilt child?

Edited by garyhun on Sunday 3rd March 08:36

Teacher lectures child, child responds. It was a simulated answer to a his response. I would hope the seller treats me with a bit more respect than that. Otherwise he should not expect anything less.

The online valuation is 271k.

[anonymous-user]

e8_pack said:

garyhun said:

Why not find out what your offer buys you before storming off like a spoilt child?

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 3rd March 08:36

Teacher lectures child, child responds. It was a simulated answer to a his response. I would hope the seller treats me with a bit more respect than that. Otherwise he should not expect anything less.

The online valuation is 271k.

Let's go back to the beginning.....

You have had an offer accepted on a house. GOOD
You do not know what you are buying. BAD

The error is purely down to you. It could be because of you inexperience/naivety/lack of buying skills or any number of things. BUT - you have to accept that you've made a mistake and decide what to do about it. Nothing else matters because you have to look at this as a simple business transaction.

Online valuations (Zoopla?) are not a good way of working out the value of a house. You need to research the local market and see what other similar properties actually achieved. Your mistake was not doing this before you made the offer. Also, the price the house sold for a few years back is irrelevant. It could have been a distressed sale, or the house could have had significant upgrades since then etc. All that matters is what is it worth today. What is it worth to you?

So, call up the EA tomorrow and find out exactly what the sellers are including in the sale and then you can make an informed decision as to your next move. Assuming the offer was very recent (which it seems to be from your OP) IF you are unhappy with what's included you can simply put your hands in the air and admit that you are new to this house buying game and tell the EA that you need to think a bit more about the deal. It's a pisser possibly for the seller but, as we all know in house buying, until exchange, anything can happen.

You may possibly find that all the stuff you want to have included, is so. In that case happy times. If not, then re-negotiate. BUT, if you do re-negotiate make sure you have all the facts you need this time. Gong back once due to lack of experience is understandable. Do it again though and you risk completely alienating the seller.

We were all first time buyers once and we tend to forget the mistakes we made along the way. But, don't forget, the mistakes are yours and your alone. Accept that and you can learn from them.

All the best!

[e8_pack]

Thanks Gary, that is certainly sound advice.

The only answer to my question so far has been "nothing will be left". If that is what people would really answer in this situation then i am surprised.

Does anyone else want to expand on what did you get/haggle for in your house purchase? regardless of timing. I think we have bottomed out the process side of things.

Edited by e8_pack on Sunday 3rd March 12:31

[anonymous-user]

e8_pack said:

The only answer to my question so far has been "nothing will be left". If that is what people would really answer in this situation then i am surprised.

Does anyone else want to expand on what did you get/haggle for in your house purchase? regardless of timing.

Every situation is different - that's why the haggling is always part of the negotiation.

Some people will leave carpets & curtains, others will not. Some may leave items of furniture or offer them for sale as extras.

In my experience, if it's attached to the fabric of the building then you "normally" expect it to be left. But there is no hard rule on this.

The advice you should take on board is; decide what you want left and then negotiate. You may get some for free; others you may be expected to pay for and then you can decide if it's worth it.

[e8_pack]

I edited my reply before i saw your response. Thanks again.

[SpeckledJim]

SpeckledJim said:

You're going to be a real pain in their arse, aren't you?!

Commentator's eye.

[davepen]

e8_pack said:

I think we have bottomed out the process side of things.

I assume you've seen a law society fixture and contents form (TA10), google will bring up a version. You will eventually get a filled in one from the vendors' solicitors.
Basic rule was if it is fixed to the house it stays, if not no. This form allows the vendor to say if they are removing the antique door nobbs or gold plated light switches. Carpets are odd, but most people leave fitted carpets, but remove rugs. If however your a first time buyer with no furniture, then ask - they may say no, but also check how much Ikea or John Lewis will sell new stuff for. Also remember second hand soft furnishing is dirt (pun intended) cheap.

Also re-read the estate agents description - space for washing machine (it goes) or fitted oven (it will stay) will give you clue to the original initation to treat, or offering.

In our case (selling) we offered the nearly new free standing gas oven as a cheap side deal. We were moving to a village with no gas. The carpets stayed - newish down stairs - old upstairs. We took the curtains.

BiL has been renting a furnished flat, landlord has offered it to him with all the contents. Although as said by others, this should be part of the original deal negotiation.

[cossy400]

Everydays a school day OP.

Anyway im not going to abuse you more than you ve already had.

Biggest purchase possibly made in your life, understandably you want it to get it right and in your favour.

Anyway we bought our last house, asked what they were leaving in etc

Lights and and carpets they said.

But it was just lights and carpets, curtain poles were gone and light switches had been changed for cheapo ones.

now i wanted to make a fuss because they hadnt left what we d seen at the viewin stage, but Mrs400 said its says lights and carpets thats what we ve got.

Hope the next one you find is a smoother ride.

[vescaegg]

OP you weren't buying my house were you? My buyer pulled out yesterday and has disappeared off the face of the earth!

No reason given. The selling estate agent is even stumped!

But I'm


wker

[anonymous-user]

vescaegg said:

OP you weren't buying my house were you? My buyer pulled out yesterday and has disappeared off the face of the earth!

No reason given. The selling estate agent is even stumped!

But I'm


wker

It's a painful game selling a house. Been there, done that. Feel for you.

[e8_pack]

Nope. Valuation came back at 280 so I've said as long as they can confirm the carpets and blinds I'll be happy.

I'll buy my own white goods anyway, want them to be energy efficient. Everything else is going well so far, but as with these things anything can happen.

[okgo]

I didn't want anything when I offered low, the agent thought he was doing me a favor when he came back and declared he had 'got me' the white goods, curtains, bed, basically everything in the fking place and all I needed to do what up my offer by £xxxxk

I told him if anything I would be doing them a favor by taking all their st as it saved them the hassle of moving any of it, and that I would meet them in the middle based on me specifying what I would have an interest in keeping.

End of the day for me, yes it is easy to have white goods included, but £500 of dishwasher and washing machine doesn't in my head warrant raising offers by thousands of pounds like he seemed to think it did.

Anyway, deal was done in the middle with a few bits that I wanted.