Tenant broken boiler, refusing me access to check it

[320d is all you need]

db10 said:

Can’t believe no one has asked if she is fit yet ??

She can't string a sentence together so even if she is, good grammar is an attractive quality.

u iz not cmin in mi property

or

You may not enter my house


One will get the D for sure :-)

[TheBinarySheep]

Carbon Sasquatch said:

I know I said I was out - but one last thing for you to ponder.....

There is a very valid - and contractually covered - reason for you to go and inspect BEFORE engaging an engineer.

There is really no valid reason for you to attend with a qualified engineer.

It;'s not too late to wise (man) uo - but it's really up to you....

I've asked the tenant to let me know what time I can go down to check the boiler tomorrow, and said I won't be arranging/paying for an engineer callout until I've checked the issue myself.

[ST12AT]

Wacky Racer said:

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/media/1449/who-c...

Gas Safe and their open to interpretation wording....


“should not” does not mean “must not”.

All of their literature is cleverly worded so as to look definite but in reality it’s just slippery. They’ve no interest in helping engineers out, only protecting their very nice and well paid contract with the government.

[jeff666]

TheBinarySheep said:

I've asked the tenant to let me know what time I can go down to check the boiler tomorrow, and said I won't be arranging/paying for an engineer callout until I've checked the issue myself.

Good man,

Stick to your guns on this.

[QuickQuack]

Give notice for inspection within 48 hours anyway See how she likes that.

You can insist on inspection prior to engaging an engineer. Tell her that you you will not authorise an engineer prior to an inspection; however, if she decides to engage and pay for an engineer out of her own pocket while denying you access, she's legally free to do so. She should bear in mind that she can't claim any excess costs as a result her action back from you as she didn't allow the inspection.

Having said that, chances are, she's not going to pay you a penny of rent anyway. You're legally entitled to stand your ground on inspection prior to engaging an engineer. If she calls someone out and pays for them, she was never going to pay that money to you so you haven't lost anything. In fact, you've saved yourself the cost of a plumber to fix the boiler.

[TheBinarySheep]

QuickQuack said:

Give notice for inspection within 48 hours anyway See how she likes that.

You can insist on inspection prior to engaging an engineer. Tell her that you you will not authorise an engineer prior to an inspection; however, if she decides to engage and pay for an engineer out of her own pocket while denying you access, she's legally free to do so. She should bear in mind that she can't claim any excess costs as a result her action back from you as she didn't allow the inspection.

Having said that, chances are, she's not going to pay you a penny of rent anyway. You're legally entitled to stand your ground on inspection prior to engaging an engineer. If she calls someone out and pays for them, she was never going to pay that money to you so you haven't lost anything. In fact, you've saved yourself the cost of a plumber to fix the boiler.

Thanks, that makes perfect sense.

[Wacky Racer]

ST12AT said:

Wacky Racer said:

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/media/1449/who-c...

Gas Safe and their open to interpretation wording....


“should not” does not mean “must not”.

All of their literature is cleverly worded so as to look definite but in reality it’s just slippery. They’ve no interest in helping engineers out, only protecting their very nice and well paid contract with the government.

I'm not disagreeing with what you say, I just posted the link I found.

It could be something simple that can be fixed in five minutes, but if the boiler needed stripping down not a good idea for a landlord to get a general handyman in from the local paper ads.

[ST12AT]

Wacky Racer said:

I'm not disagreeing with what you say, I just posted the link I found.

It could be something simple that can be fixed in five minutes, but if the boiler needed stripping down not a good idea for a landlord to get a general handyman in from the local paper ads.

Yea, sorry I didn’t mean it to sound like I was arguing with you.

[JulianHJ]

TheBinarySheep said:

I've asked the tenant to let me know what time I can go down to check the boiler tomorrow, and said I won't be arranging/paying for an engineer callout until I've checked the issue myself.

Good work!

I hope you get this resolved promptly.

[FWIW]

320d is all you need said:

You have every right to attend the property at any point when you have given notice to do so. I'm sure that is standard term in any tenancy agreement.

Just because it’s in an agreement, doesn’t make it law/binding.

[FWIW]

TheBinarySheep said:

I've asked the tenant to let me know what time I can go down to check the boiler tomorrow, and said I won't be arranging/paying for an engineer callout until I've checked the issue myself.

Well done. I hope you stick to this.

[speedyman]

Could be an electrical problem or the gas has been cut off.

[Wacky Racer]

ST12AT said:

Yea, sorry I didn’t mean it to sound like I was arguing with you.

[TheBinarySheep]

anonymous said:

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That's true isn't it? Landlords are all loaded so why shouldn't we let people live in houses we are paying for for free.

[Easternlight]

FWIW said:

320d is all you need said:

You have every right to attend the property at any point when you have given notice to do so. I'm sure that is standard term in any tenancy agreement.

Just because it’s in an agreement, doesn’t make it law/binding.

If it's written into the signed tenancy agreement to alow an inspection after a set notice it is.

[Matt_E_Mulsion]

speedyman said:

Could be an electrical problem or the gas has been cut off.

I was just thinking that too, she probably hasn't paid the gas bill and it's been cut off.,

[bennno]

Matt_E_Mulsion said:

I was just thinking that too, she probably hasn't paid the gas bill and it's been cut off.,

Does property have a gas hob, is that working?

[nikaiyo2]

Carbon Sasquatch said:

nikaiyo2 said:

I would also tell her that you can’t find an engineer to come out for ages, but that you agree to deduct the cost of the call out from her rent if she calls one out. Obviously must be gas safe registered etc

Definitely do not agree to a blank cheque - all engineers must be engaged by and accountable to you

He is not, she already owes him thousands that he will never see, it’s simply a deduction from theoretical money that has already gone.

It’s not like he is giving her permission to get a new central heating system installed it’s a call out. Obviously she would need invoices etc.

[TheBinarySheep]

Matt_E_Mulsion said:

I was just thinking that too, she probably hasn't paid the gas bill and it's been cut off.,

Gas meter is indoors.

[FWIW]

Easternlight said:

If it's written into the signed tenancy agreement to alow an inspection after a set notice it is.

No, you can’t sign away your statutory rights.