Housing estate design of the last 20yrs - why so bad?
Discussion
V8RX7 said:
blueg33 said:
Government, local government, MOD and nhs own loads of land. My job is to persuade them to let me develop it.
Hence my earlier post about 29 sites from just one council.
Yes but they want (IME) market value - they don't want to sell their land at agricultural value to Housing Associations.Hence my earlier post about 29 sites from just one council.
Edited by blueg33 on Saturday 13th July 08:08
Highway Star said:
How much of England do you think is built upon? In percent? Not an intended dig at all, its a just a number that is well below what many guess at.
This is something really small, like 9% or something (or that may have been the UK perhaps) - I know it surprises everybody.Robertj21a said:
Highway Star said:
How much of England do you think is built upon? In percent? Not an intended dig at all, its a just a number that is well below what many guess at.
This is something really small, like 9% or something (or that may have been the UK perhaps) - I know it surprises everybody.techguyone said:
Robertj21a said:
Highway Star said:
How much of England do you think is built upon? In percent? Not an intended dig at all, its a just a number that is well below what many guess at.
This is something really small, like 9% or something (or that may have been the UK perhaps) - I know it surprises everybody.Flibble said:
techguyone said:
Robertj21a said:
Highway Star said:
How much of England do you think is built upon? In percent? Not an intended dig at all, its a just a number that is well below what many guess at.
This is something really small, like 9% or something (or that may have been the UK perhaps) - I know it surprises everybody.
Flibble said:
Is not uniformly distributed though, in the south east the proportion is going to be very different to the Highlands.
Many people possibly do not realise just how empty and expansive the Highlands and islands are. "the UK average" is skewed in various ways by the enormous differences between the SE and the far north
anonymous said:
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Researched this in much detail, the UK retirement market isn’t ready for it, it needs large expensive sites and UK land is more costly than in the US. The funding model isn’t really compatible with UK type investment funds or the way UK pensions work. But I am still working on it. Been to the US twice as there is s company there interested.
blueg33 said:
They don’t need to sell the land, in fact it’s better if they don’t. That is exactly the model I am currently rolling out. We will have capacity of about 10k houses per annum.
If you have any gaps in your geographic spread and need to help delivering some of that, let me know
blueg33 said:
Researched this in much detail, the UK retirement market isn’t ready for it, it needs large expensive sites and UK land is more costly than in the US. The funding model isn’t really compatible with UK type investment funds or the way UK pensions work.
But I am still working on it. Been to the US twice as there is s company there interested.
How does the US model work?But I am still working on it. Been to the US twice as there is s company there interested.
RSVR101 said:
I used to live in a village next to the new Development Northstowe, near Cambridge, the biggest housing development since Milton Keynes, 10,000 houses. Initial plans were to include 40% affordable homes which was negotiated down to 20% by Gallagher Homes. The minimum acceptable room size was also negotiated down.
We used to live in Willingham, but moved away, partly due to the Northstowe development. As far as I can tell the whole Oakington/Longstanton/Willingham area is going to become a big dormitory town for Cambridge 
.I am sure they will shift all the new homes but it is hardly an inspiring place to live. I went to a couple of the events about the phase 1 plans and ended up getting into a heated discussion with one of the Gallagher representatives about the proposed density and the lack of separation from Longstanton amongst other issues. After pushing him repeatedly about if he would want to live in the development he admitted he wouldn't and that he lived in a nice big detached house in Chiddingfold!
ben5575 said:
MC Bodge said:
ben5575 said:
How does the US model work?
Cheaper land, less rigorous building regs, less durable building methods. Funders put cash into s new development with massively back end loaded returns, or they are the funds that are the pension funds. A lot of UK funds are wary of real estate assets with any element of demand risk.
blueg33 said:
A high percentage of pension contributions goes towards it. People idrntify the development they want to retire to many years in advance and pension is directed accordingly.
Funders put cash into s new development with massively back end loaded returns, or they are the funds that are the pension funds. A lot of UK funds are wary of real estate assets with any element of demand risk.
That US model is interesting. Funders put cash into s new development with massively back end loaded returns, or they are the funds that are the pension funds. A lot of UK funds are wary of real estate assets with any element of demand risk.
We do BTR (having done student stuff previously) and hotels, as well as resi so reasonably familiar with the vagaries (and realities vs agent fluff) of UK/International pension funds.
SydneyBridge said:
blueg33 said:
Thats why HRH Prince of Wales pushed for Poundbury to try and recreate that quaint crammed in feeling, it was then picked up as a good idea by planners and organisations like CABE.
Has anyone been to Poundbury?fake and contrived in my eyes, especially the fire station. HRH may call it quaint...
EDIT to add proper image: look at the housing density on this satellite image.
Poundbury is to the left of the two horizontal roundabouts, delineated by a precise vertical line.
The mid-20th century housing is on the right. Those red brick council houses look better built and more spacious.
Plus I've never met a Poundbury resident who wasn't a crashing snob!
Edited by Johnnytheboy on Saturday 13th July 18:58
Flibble said:
Is not uniformly distributed though, in the south east the proportion is going to be very different to the Highlands.
Of course it isn't, but my local authority area in the South East is only 8% built on. Even an urban authority such as Oxford is only 50%. Obviously areas of London etc are a far higher %.Would the following have even been thought about 20yrs ago?...
Listening to the news on a Dorset radio station Friday, they said plans had been submitted by a developer to build a further 222 apartments in Ocean Village, Southampton. The plans only include 27 parking spaces which include 4 disabled, apparently residents can park elsewhere in the Ocean car-park via a paid for permit scheme. They want to build the apartment block on a currently in use car park!
Listening to the news on a Dorset radio station Friday, they said plans had been submitted by a developer to build a further 222 apartments in Ocean Village, Southampton. The plans only include 27 parking spaces which include 4 disabled, apparently residents can park elsewhere in the Ocean car-park via a paid for permit scheme. They want to build the apartment block on a currently in use car park!
anonymous said:
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I'm guessing it's because:They are wealthy and travel so want to lock up and leave, they also don't want to maintain the gardens
They also want to be within walking distance to the shops, near(ish) a hospital and want big bedrooms and high spec - this isn't widely available used.
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