Best Wifi enabled thermostat
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dickymint said:
mjb1 said:
My understanding is that Tado is the only one that does 'geofencing'? so at the moment that's at least one of it's USPs. It shouldn't be down to the customer to implement it themselves with IFTT. Most customer's aren't going to be techy enough to do that themselves.
Frankly, I'm amazed that the competitors haven't caught onto this already. It must be relatively simple to do - it's all in software, and mostly (if not entirely) on the app, so it should be able to be added on for existing customers. Tado is more expensive to buy (although the component parts don't seem too bad individually compared to the others), so I can only assume that Drayton do a hefty discount if you buy it all together as a kit?
Too many companies these days put out products with unfinished/badly written software, and it hamstrings them. They rely on buyers to be beta testers. That's not so bad for some products, but I don't want my gas fired boiler to be under the control of something buggy. Tado works, out of the box. Read back through this thread, and it's pretty much without fault. It might be expensive, but I think it's still cheaper than they Honeywell setup?
Looking at the 'teething' problems Shady Lee had with Wiser, it'd put me right off it. Hopefully it really has been sorted out with that firmware update.
Agreed - for us the geofencing and associated algorithms is the main reason our bill has been slashed.Frankly, I'm amazed that the competitors haven't caught onto this already. It must be relatively simple to do - it's all in software, and mostly (if not entirely) on the app, so it should be able to be added on for existing customers. Tado is more expensive to buy (although the component parts don't seem too bad individually compared to the others), so I can only assume that Drayton do a hefty discount if you buy it all together as a kit?
Too many companies these days put out products with unfinished/badly written software, and it hamstrings them. They rely on buyers to be beta testers. That's not so bad for some products, but I don't want my gas fired boiler to be under the control of something buggy. Tado works, out of the box. Read back through this thread, and it's pretty much without fault. It might be expensive, but I think it's still cheaper than they Honeywell setup?
Looking at the 'teething' problems Shady Lee had with Wiser, it'd put me right off it. Hopefully it really has been sorted out with that firmware update.
I think as others have said the wiser system is still early doors, I've had issues at the beginning yeah, but I've noticed app and firmware updates on the devices since having it that seem to have sorted it out.
One big thing I would say for wiser is range....I live in a red brick 1930s 3 bed semi and can get all devices within range, anything bigger and I think a extender is needed, these are free but I can't help but wonder why Drayton didn't make the range better than the current leader (evohome)??
Also I bought into wiser under the security that Drayton was owned by Schneider, I like Schneider...they make decent stuff. A recent YouTube video https://youtu.be/g97aRGs1RKY
Reveals that with wiser (and like hive) Schneider will be pushing a range of other connected home devices.
Right now you would be lucky to get a full system, screwfix have been sold out of the major kits and trvs for 2 weeks, either Drayton didn't anticipate the demand at their "half price cost" compared to evohome or they simply can't keep up?
I'm glad I went with the wiser kit, now it's working it's a clever system, in eco mode it's constantly micro managing the trvs and heat up/shut off times to nip and tuck gas usage.
Customer support at Drayton/Schneider is odd, they pick up the phones sure...but it's as if none of them have any real idea how it works or even how to respond within a day. Possibly over loaded again with demand?
Who knows. There's a year warranty at screwfix where I bought it all from so I will give it some time to make sure.
One big thing I would say for wiser is range....I live in a red brick 1930s 3 bed semi and can get all devices within range, anything bigger and I think a extender is needed, these are free but I can't help but wonder why Drayton didn't make the range better than the current leader (evohome)??
Also I bought into wiser under the security that Drayton was owned by Schneider, I like Schneider...they make decent stuff. A recent YouTube video https://youtu.be/g97aRGs1RKY
Reveals that with wiser (and like hive) Schneider will be pushing a range of other connected home devices.
Right now you would be lucky to get a full system, screwfix have been sold out of the major kits and trvs for 2 weeks, either Drayton didn't anticipate the demand at their "half price cost" compared to evohome or they simply can't keep up?
I'm glad I went with the wiser kit, now it's working it's a clever system, in eco mode it's constantly micro managing the trvs and heat up/shut off times to nip and tuck gas usage.
Customer support at Drayton/Schneider is odd, they pick up the phones sure...but it's as if none of them have any real idea how it works or even how to respond within a day. Possibly over loaded again with demand?
Who knows. There's a year warranty at screwfix where I bought it all from so I will give it some time to make sure.
Well that didn't last long... overnight devices loosing signal, not reconnecting.
No matter if I took the bloody things to the controller and reset them there...nothing!
I've had it, this pile of crap along with the shocking customer support is going back to screwfix this morning!.
I'm ordering evohome.
As far as wiser goes, it would be wise to steer clear.
....it's a lemon
No matter if I took the bloody things to the controller and reset them there...nothing!
I've had it, this pile of crap along with the shocking customer support is going back to screwfix this morning!.
I'm ordering evohome.
As far as wiser goes, it would be wise to steer clear.
....it's a lemon
No wonder my house was baking hot, some of the zones were mixed up.
So in a nutshell,
Zone A calling for heat, but Zone B was getting that heat.
Zone B like an oven, Zone A not getting the heat it is calling for.
Ad Finitum...
I found very surprising is how long the heat is retained for even long after the stat has stopped calling for heat.
4 zones are mixed up in total, installer coming back today to swap them and we should be good to go.
My lounge hit 31c last night, I was watching tv in my underpants with the balcony doors open
So in a nutshell,
Zone A calling for heat, but Zone B was getting that heat.
Zone B like an oven, Zone A not getting the heat it is calling for.
Ad Finitum...
I found very surprising is how long the heat is retained for even long after the stat has stopped calling for heat.
4 zones are mixed up in total, installer coming back today to swap them and we should be good to go.
My lounge hit 31c last night, I was watching tv in my underpants with the balcony doors open
Insert Coin said:
No wonder my house was baking hot, some of the zones were mixed up.
So in a nutshell,
Zone A calling for heat, but Zone B was getting that heat.
Zone B like an oven, Zone A not getting the heat it is calling for.
Ad Finitum...
I found very surprising is how long the heat is retained for even long after the stat has stopped calling for heat.
4 zones are mixed up in total, installer coming back today to swap them and we should be good to go.
My lounge hit 31c last night, I was watching tv in my underpants with the balcony doors open
That would certainly confuse it So in a nutshell,
Zone A calling for heat, but Zone B was getting that heat.
Zone B like an oven, Zone A not getting the heat it is calling for.
Ad Finitum...
I found very surprising is how long the heat is retained for even long after the stat has stopped calling for heat.
4 zones are mixed up in total, installer coming back today to swap them and we should be good to go.
My lounge hit 31c last night, I was watching tv in my underpants with the balcony doors open
IIRC you have a heatmiser system? Was it the system that screwed up or finger trouble when configuring it?
Insert Coin said:
No wonder my house was baking hot, some of the zones were mixed up.
So in a nutshell,
Zone A calling for heat, but Zone B was getting that heat.
Zone B like an oven, Zone A not getting the heat it is calling for.
Ad Finitum...
I found very surprising is how long the heat is retained for even long after the stat has stopped calling for heat.
4 zones are mixed up in total, installer coming back today to swap them and we should be good to go.
My lounge hit 31c last night, I was watching tv in my underpants with the balcony doors open
What system do you have? Presumably it's not one with TRVs for the zone control, you must have room thermostats separate from them? I can't see how it's possible to get the zones mixed up if it's just done from a TRV?So in a nutshell,
Zone A calling for heat, but Zone B was getting that heat.
Zone B like an oven, Zone A not getting the heat it is calling for.
Ad Finitum...
I found very surprising is how long the heat is retained for even long after the stat has stopped calling for heat.
4 zones are mixed up in total, installer coming back today to swap them and we should be good to go.
My lounge hit 31c last night, I was watching tv in my underpants with the balcony doors open
Sounds like a fairly silly balls up by the installer though!
Right then, I've specced up evohome.
Looking at 8 trvs, controller and boiler receiver for a combi £612 from the evohomeshop.
Either that or another option, keep my hive system and fit eq3 Bluetooth trvs. They won't call for heat, but when the heating is on they can be set to a schedule.
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Looking at 8 trvs, controller and boiler receiver for a combi £612 from the evohomeshop.
Either that or another option, keep my hive system and fit eq3 Bluetooth trvs. They won't call for heat, but when the heating is on they can be set to a schedule.
DoubleSix said:
However, I would also do some digging just to check Evohome doesn’t have a model revision immenent. Nothing worse than shelling out only for a new model to drop soon after.
This is a concern, nothing like buying a new peice of tech only for it to be updated 1 week later.Hmmm, I think I'll do abit of research then.
My Evohome worked almost perfectly in our last house, with 12 zones, including wet UFH and 3000 square feet.
Issues were minimal.
- occasionally the system lost touch with a TRV, was always sorted by overnight automatic firmware updates
- the app was crap initially, losing touch with the control unit and removing internet control, requiring re-pairing. I actually had to start a new account to deal with it. Sorted by later version, and did not affect manual control from the panel.
It is expensive but it halved our heating bills. Want it in the new house - and it will be expensive as the house has a complex system: 3 zones with 3 individual thermostats (one for each floor) and two hot water cylinders. Definitely not a DIY installation!
Issues were minimal.
- occasionally the system lost touch with a TRV, was always sorted by overnight automatic firmware updates
- the app was crap initially, losing touch with the control unit and removing internet control, requiring re-pairing. I actually had to start a new account to deal with it. Sorted by later version, and did not affect manual control from the panel.
It is expensive but it halved our heating bills. Want it in the new house - and it will be expensive as the house has a complex system: 3 zones with 3 individual thermostats (one for each floor) and two hot water cylinders. Definitely not a DIY installation!
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