Housing estate design of the last 20yrs - why so bad?
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Saleen836 said:
Would the following have even been thought about 20yrs ago?...
Listening to the news on a Dorset radio station Friday, they said plans had been submitted by a developer to build a further 222 apartments in Ocean Village, Southampton. The plans only include 27 parking spaces which include 4 disabled, apparently residents can park elsewhere in the Ocean car-park via a paid for permit scheme. They want to build the apartment block on a currently in use car park!
My biggest gripe with stories like this will end up the following way though; the aparments are built and sold, soon the residients moan and complain over lack of parking....like the thousands of home owners who do not have off street parking and end up taking part in parking warsListening to the news on a Dorset radio station Friday, they said plans had been submitted by a developer to build a further 222 apartments in Ocean Village, Southampton. The plans only include 27 parking spaces which include 4 disabled, apparently residents can park elsewhere in the Ocean car-park via a paid for permit scheme. They want to build the apartment block on a currently in use car park!
Saleen836 said:
Would the following have even been thought about 20yrs ago?...
Listening to the news on a Dorset radio station Friday, they said plans had been submitted by a developer to build a further 222 apartments in Ocean Village, Southampton. The plans only include 27 parking spaces which include 4 disabled, apparently residents can park elsewhere in the Ocean car-park via a paid for permit scheme. They want to build the apartment block on a currently in use car park!
They might retain the parking underneath the building Listening to the news on a Dorset radio station Friday, they said plans had been submitted by a developer to build a further 222 apartments in Ocean Village, Southampton. The plans only include 27 parking spaces which include 4 disabled, apparently residents can park elsewhere in the Ocean car-park via a paid for permit scheme. They want to build the apartment block on a currently in use car park!
blueg33 said:
Saleen836 said:
Would the following have even been thought about 20yrs ago?...
Listening to the news on a Dorset radio station Friday, they said plans had been submitted by a developer to build a further 222 apartments in Ocean Village, Southampton. The plans only include 27 parking spaces which include 4 disabled, apparently residents can park elsewhere in the Ocean car-park via a paid for permit scheme. They want to build the apartment block on a currently in use car park!
They might retain the parking underneath the building Listening to the news on a Dorset radio station Friday, they said plans had been submitted by a developer to build a further 222 apartments in Ocean Village, Southampton. The plans only include 27 parking spaces which include 4 disabled, apparently residents can park elsewhere in the Ocean car-park via a paid for permit scheme. They want to build the apartment block on a currently in use car park!
Saleen836 said:
Would the following have even been thought about 20yrs ago?...
Listening to the news on a Dorset radio station Friday, they said plans had been submitted by a developer to build a further 222 apartments in Ocean Village, Southampton. The plans only include 27 parking spaces which include 4 disabled, apparently residents can park elsewhere in the Ocean car-park via a paid for permit scheme. They want to build the apartment block on a currently in use car park!
Quite bonkersListening to the news on a Dorset radio station Friday, they said plans had been submitted by a developer to build a further 222 apartments in Ocean Village, Southampton. The plans only include 27 parking spaces which include 4 disabled, apparently residents can park elsewhere in the Ocean car-park via a paid for permit scheme. They want to build the apartment block on a currently in use car park!
V8RX7 said:
It might be useful to keep some land - to grow food on !
That's OK. That'll be South Lincolnshire then, and nobody wants to live there anyway...The only reason I ended up in Norfolk was 'cos I needed to be within striking distance of Boston, for business reasons, and North Norfolk was the nearest place I was actually willing to live.
Equus said:
V8RX7 said:
It might be useful to keep some land - to grow food on !
That's OK. That'll be South Lincolnshire then, and nobody wants to live there anyway...The only reason I ended up in Norfolk was 'cos I needed to be within striking distance of Boston, for business reasons, and North Norfolk was the nearest place I was actually willing to live.
V8RX7 said:
If that's the plan then we need a war / disease to eliminate around 90% of the population !
My favoured solution is to build a big wall around the inside hard shoulder of the M25, then close the Thames Barrier. Might as well concentrate on the bit that doesn't actually produce anything, just shuffles electronic numbers around the banking system, and consumes?
But yes, population is the elephant in the room that no government is willing to address.
Equus said:
But yes, population is the elephant in the room that no government is willing to address.
I know a number of people who watched Thanos kill 1/2 the population of the earth in the Avengers movies. And all agreed it's probably not the worst idea anybody's had to solve a number of problems.
Equus said:
That's OK. That'll be South Lincolnshire then, and nobody wants to live there anyway...
The only reason I ended up in Norfolk was 'cos I needed to be within striking distance of Boston, for business reasons, and North Norfolk was the nearest place I was actually willing to live.
In recent times, has anybody seriously suggested building a massive town/city (as, say, Milton Keynes) way out in the sticks ?. The only reason I ended up in Norfolk was 'cos I needed to be within striking distance of Boston, for business reasons, and North Norfolk was the nearest place I was actually willing to live.
Lincolnshire is an obvious choice but the necessary roads, and infrastructure generally, would make it very expensive. Then there's the grants etc to encourage firms to set up there.
Is it at all feasible, assuming it would have to be for, say, 0.5m people to really make it viable ?
cmvtec said:
Here's an example from near me, the development is quite a sought after and prestigious one (Christ knows why, it's built on a pit head), but it is a stones throw from the beach. This is one of the main roads through the development and leads to the school and shops, so has a fair amount of traffic.
Every property has at least one parking space and/or garage to the rear, most have two. Yet, the road at the front...
Plan view, where all the rear parking is visible...
That is bonkers.Every property has at least one parking space and/or garage to the rear, most have two. Yet, the road at the front...
Plan view, where all the rear parking is visible...
No other way to put it.
Mark Benson said:
You didn't fancy Notts then?
Strangely not. 
I did look at the nice bits of Lincolnshire (the Wolds) and Rutland, but Norfolk just happened to be the place where something suitable cropped up first.
Robertj21a said:
In recent times, has anybody seriously suggested building a massive town/city (as, say, Milton Keynes) way out in the sticks ?.
Lincolnshire is an obvious choice but the necessary roads, and infrastructure generally, would make it very expensive. Then there's the grants etc to encourage firms to set up there.
Yes, it crops up from time to time as a Planning idea.Lincolnshire is an obvious choice but the necessary roads, and infrastructure generally, would make it very expensive. Then there's the grants etc to encourage firms to set up there.
Apart from the infrastructure (and anyone who has driven through the Lincolnshire Badlands on the A16 or A17 will know that the current road network is not even adequate for shifting cabbages), pretty much the whole lot of it is on borrowed time due to global warming and flood risk, so whilst the LPA's in the area use the Sequential Test to allow for enough housing to meet local demand, it would be difficult to make a case for locating a major settlement there.
Equus said:
Yes, it crops up from time to time as a Planning idea.
Apart from the infrastructure (and anyone who has driven through the Lincolnshire Badlands on the A16 or A17 will know that the current road network is not even adequate for shifting cabbages), pretty much the whole lot of it is on borrowed time due to global warming and flood risk, so whilst the LPA's in the area use the Sequential Test to allow for enough housing to meet local demand, it would be difficult to make a case for locating a major settlement there.
Thanks for that, I certainly agree about the A16 and A17.Apart from the infrastructure (and anyone who has driven through the Lincolnshire Badlands on the A16 or A17 will know that the current road network is not even adequate for shifting cabbages), pretty much the whole lot of it is on borrowed time due to global warming and flood risk, so whilst the LPA's in the area use the Sequential Test to allow for enough housing to meet local demand, it would be difficult to make a case for locating a major settlement there.
What other areas might just be possible for a truly significant development ? - I'm thinking of mid Wales, parts of Lancashire, Staffordshire, Wiltshire, Northumberland etc
cat with a hat said:
cmvtec said:
Here's an example from near me, the development is quite a sought after and prestigious one (Christ knows why, it's built on a pit head), but it is a stones throw from the beach. This is one of the main roads through the development and leads to the school and shops, so has a fair amount of traffic.
Every property has at least one parking space and/or garage to the rear, most have two. Yet, the road at the front...
Plan view, where all the rear parking is visible...
That is bonkers.Every property has at least one parking space and/or garage to the rear, most have two. Yet, the road at the front...
Plan view, where all the rear parking is visible...
No other way to put it.
This is a street on Charlie's vision for the future, Poundbury, which was held up as the model for all housing development and was the basis of PPG3:
Looks like a nice, twee market town, doesn't it?
And this is what goes on behind that nice street frontage, to prop up the parking requirments:
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