The end of the cosy open fire?
Discussion
biggiles said:
This would be a sensible idea if we had followed up with our nuclear power stations in the 1970s and now had access to really cheap electric power. Oh wait...
The crusties hate nuclear, it removes their political will and maneouverability! They need clear targets for the transition to the Green New Deal without the robust supply of clean and green electricity.Elderly said:
Which is why COs should be directed to allowing thin panel double glazing in Grade II Listed buildings .
Apologies to those who have justifiably no interest in: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Conservation Officers are already directed to consider energy efficiency (and other practical factors) when determining LBC.Apologies to those who have justifiably no interest in: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
For the reasons I explained on the other thread, there is good reason not to impose a blanket rule upon them.
Bioethanol!
My 7kW bioethanol fire is no different from a wood or coal apart from the smell - and no crackling sounds, of course. But the flames are real, the heat is real.
Obviously not the aesthetics-only bioethanol jobs, we're talking about the genuinely powerful versions. 12kW is possible too, enough to heat very large rooms, even whole homes.
The old farts need to move into a sustainable, less polluting future. If they can't adapt, tough, they can enjoy whinging about the old days.
My 7kW bioethanol fire is no different from a wood or coal apart from the smell - and no crackling sounds, of course. But the flames are real, the heat is real.
Obviously not the aesthetics-only bioethanol jobs, we're talking about the genuinely powerful versions. 12kW is possible too, enough to heat very large rooms, even whole homes.
The old farts need to move into a sustainable, less polluting future. If they can't adapt, tough, they can enjoy whinging about the old days.
Coolbananas said:
Bioethanol!
My 7kW bioethanol fire is no different from a wood or coal apart from the smell - and no crackling sounds, of course. But the flames are real, the heat is real.
Obviously not the aesthetics-only bioethanol jobs, we're talking about the genuinely powerful versions. 12kW is possible too, enough to heat very large rooms, even whole homes.
The old farts need to move into a sustainable, less polluting future. If they can't adapt, tough, they can enjoy whinging about the old days.
You voted remain didnt you.My 7kW bioethanol fire is no different from a wood or coal apart from the smell - and no crackling sounds, of course. But the flames are real, the heat is real.
Obviously not the aesthetics-only bioethanol jobs, we're talking about the genuinely powerful versions. 12kW is possible too, enough to heat very large rooms, even whole homes.
The old farts need to move into a sustainable, less polluting future. If they can't adapt, tough, they can enjoy whinging about the old days.
otolith said:
mikal83 said:
You voted remain didnt you.
Now then, you can't assume based on whether someone likes woodsmoke or not, not all gammon is smoked.Good point - will kippers be banned
Anyhow unless the Wood Police force entry into our house armed with a moisture meter the moment i pop a log onto the fire then they wont be stopping my wood pile going up in smoke..............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE9gA2qEgXU
Tasmin200 said:
The thing about this that really pisses me off is for a huge amount of users using coal and wood isn't a lifestyle choice, it's a necessity.
It doesn't affect me (yet) as I live in Scotland but I have no town gas and due to installation rules I can't put on oil or off grid gas. It would be cold or very expensive to heat my house.
Exactly. I run the whole house on wood, which I source from my own land. Nearest neighbour a mile away. How long before some bellend with a clipboard pays me a visit to check the moisture content of what I’m burning and fine me if it’s over 20% (not that it is)?It doesn't affect me (yet) as I live in Scotland but I have no town gas and due to installation rules I can't put on oil or off grid gas. It would be cold or very expensive to heat my house.
kambites said:
Hoofy said:
Certainly, they are talking about how bad gas boilers are and burning wood releases CO2 and other gases and particles so I'm not surprised with this announcement. I mean, they will probably ban dry wood at some point.
If anything I'd expect them to subsidise dry wood at some point precisely because it's almost the only readily available carbon-neutral heating fuel. Of course it has a negative effect on localised air quality (which is actually the primary driving force behind this change), which makes things trickier. Edited by kambites on Friday 21st February 10:39
Hoofy said:
kambites said:
Hoofy said:
Certainly, they are talking about how bad gas boilers are and burning wood releases CO2 and other gases and particles so I'm not surprised with this announcement. I mean, they will probably ban dry wood at some point.
If anything I'd expect them to subsidise dry wood at some point precisely because it's almost the only readily available carbon-neutral heating fuel. Of course it has a negative effect on localised air quality (which is actually the primary driving force behind this change), which makes things trickier. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51581817
As I understand it from the above and other sources:
- Sales of bagged traditional house coal will be phased out by February 2021, and the sale of loose coal direct to customers will end by 2023
- Sales of wet wood in small units (less than 2m3) will be phased out from February 2021. Wet wood in volumes greater than 2m3 will also have to be sold with advice on how to dry it before burning
There is also mention of control sale of poor quality stoves, and open fires, as well as reducing sulphur and smoke content of remaining solid fuels.
Personally I support reducing or even controlling the sale of 'small units' of wet wood, these are not suitable for burning, nor sold for the intention of being seasoned by the customer, and muddies the water for those selling seasoned (or kiln dried) timber ready for burning.
I am not even against some reduction and or controls on the sale of small-unit and or bagged house coals to reduce those who buy it because its cheaper, partuarly as while you can buy nice bituminous house coals (often costing about the same as smokeless) you can also buy some absolute dross 'clagg in a bag' as i've heard it called.
HOWEVER what I am genuinely upset and worried about is the apparent current plans to, in only to years time, a total ban on the sale of all loose coal. This has significant knock on effects for anyone who uses coal, be that domestic homes, for heating or leisure, private steam enthusiasts, preserved steam, etc. Combined with reducing in coal fired power stations we could loose supply completely.
Daniel
As I understand it from the above and other sources:
- Sales of bagged traditional house coal will be phased out by February 2021, and the sale of loose coal direct to customers will end by 2023
- Sales of wet wood in small units (less than 2m3) will be phased out from February 2021. Wet wood in volumes greater than 2m3 will also have to be sold with advice on how to dry it before burning
There is also mention of control sale of poor quality stoves, and open fires, as well as reducing sulphur and smoke content of remaining solid fuels.
Personally I support reducing or even controlling the sale of 'small units' of wet wood, these are not suitable for burning, nor sold for the intention of being seasoned by the customer, and muddies the water for those selling seasoned (or kiln dried) timber ready for burning.
I am not even against some reduction and or controls on the sale of small-unit and or bagged house coals to reduce those who buy it because its cheaper, partuarly as while you can buy nice bituminous house coals (often costing about the same as smokeless) you can also buy some absolute dross 'clagg in a bag' as i've heard it called.
HOWEVER what I am genuinely upset and worried about is the apparent current plans to, in only to years time, a total ban on the sale of all loose coal. This has significant knock on effects for anyone who uses coal, be that domestic homes, for heating or leisure, private steam enthusiasts, preserved steam, etc. Combined with reducing in coal fired power stations we could loose supply completely.
Daniel
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