Do you need a TV licence if.....

[Simpo Two]

Gold said:

If it wasn't plugged it and you never did so you wouldn't need a TV licence.

How would you prove you'd never used it? And if you never use it, why do you have it?

[Fidgits]

Simpo Two said:

Gold said:

If it wasn't plugged it and you never did so you wouldn't need a TV licence.

How would you prove you'd never used it? And if you never use it, why do you have it?

as i said in my previous post... I cant see TV licensing saying "oh, your 42" plasma is unplugged, so you obviously never use it, so of course you dont need a license..."


it goes beg the question, why buy a TV if your not going to use it?

[sleep envy]

surely it's up to them to prove you are using it

something about being innocent until proven guilty...

[Plotloss]

Fidgits said:

SamHH said:

Fidgits said:

even if you didnt have the sky box, you'd still need a license for the TV even if it wasnt plugged in

I don't believe that.

well, a TV is capable of receiving TV signals - all TV's have tuners in them.

Define television.

OP has a PDP which is a commercial display, which wont have a tuner.

[Simpo Two]

sleep envy said:

surely it's up to them to prove you are using it

something about being innocent until proven guilty...

If you own a fking reciever you need a fking licence. It doesn't get any simpler than that does it?

[Fidgits]

sleep envy said:

surely it's up to them to prove you are using it

something about being innocent until proven guilty...

where have you been the last 10 years?

I think that went out with the rest of basic civil rights..

[Plotloss]

Simpo Two said:

sleep envy said:

surely it's up to them to prove you are using it

something about being innocent until proven guilty...

If you own a fking reciever you need a fking licence. It doesn't get any simpler than that does it?

You may think its that simple but it isnt.

You dont require a licence to own a television, just use one.

You can own a television and if it is obviously not in use you do not need a licence.

[Fidgits]

Plotloss said:

Fidgits said:

SamHH said:

Fidgits said:

even if you didnt have the sky box, you'd still need a license for the TV even if it wasnt plugged in

I don't believe that.

well, a TV is capable of receiving TV signals - all TV's have tuners in them.

Define television.

OP has a PDP which is a commercial display, which wont have a tuner.

i didnt realise the PDP's didnt have internal tuners? (at all?)

I think thats a different area then - as it doesnt have the reciever, though with the sky box he still needs a license, non?

[sleep envy]

Simpo Two said:

sleep envy said:

surely it's up to them to prove you are using it

something about being innocent until proven guilty...

If you own a fking reciever you need a fking licence. It doesn't get any simpler than that does it?

so using the same logic you have to have a licence to own a car?

Edited by sleep envy on Thursday 26th March 13:46

[Fidgits]

sleep envy said:

Simpo Two said:

sleep envy said:

surely it's up to them to prove you are using it

something about being innocent until proven guilty...

If you own a fking reciever you need a fking licence. It doesn't get any simpler than that does it?

so using the same logic you have to have a license to own a car?

no, but you need a license to own a dog*...

even if you dont take it out for walks...

* though there is a chance that has changed...

[Plotloss]

Fidgits said:

I think thats a different area then - as it doesnt have the reciever, though with the sky box he still needs a license, non?

Sky box is the key point here.

Sky report to TVL their list of subscribers.

Game over.

[Fidgits]

Plotloss said:

Fidgits said:

I think thats a different area then - as it doesnt have the reciever, though with the sky box he still needs a license, non?

Sky box is the key point here.

Sky report to TVL their list of subscribers.

Game over.

am i right in thinking the PDP is just a giant PC screen?

In which case i can see your argument (though would TV licensing? - I guess if you could prove you had no way to recieve TV signals they would)

[Gold]

Plotloss said:

Simpo Two said:

sleep envy said:

surely it's up to them to prove you are using it

something about being innocent until proven guilty...

If you own a fking reciever you need a fking licence. It doesn't get any simpler than that does it?

You may think its that simple but it isnt.

You dont require a licence to own a television, just use one.

You can own a television and if it is obviously not in use you do not need a licence.

There is nothing about having to have a TV licence to own a TV. Take a look on the TV licencing website. It's a mindfield of spin but nothing mentions having to have a licence to own a TV.

[Cotty]

me doesn't anyone know how to use the internet
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/index.jsp

"You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. It makes no difference what equipment you use - whether it’s a laptop, PC, mobile phone, digital box, DVD recorder or a TV set - you still need a licence.

You do not need a TV Licence to view video clips on the internet, as long as what you are viewing is not being shown on TV at the same time as you are viewing it.

If you use a digital box with a hi-fi system, or another device that can only be used to produce sounds and can't display TV programmes, and you don't install or use any other TV receiving equipment, you don't need a TV Licence."

[sleep envy]

Fidgits said:

no, but you need a license to own a dog*...

even if you dont take it out for walks...

* though there is a chance that has changed...

[Plotloss]

Its a tunerless display.

The way that TVL is driven is a big set of feeds from various places including retailers, warranty companies, cable and satellite providers.

When you buy a PDP/LCD without a tuner there is nothing beholden on the retailer to pass your details to TVL so when they do the mismatch search against the PAF you'll still be in the long list of addresses without a licence but you wont be in the target list of those with confirmed TV reception equipment and no licence.

[esselte]

Gold said:

Plotloss said:

Simpo Two said:

sleep envy said:

surely it's up to them to prove you are using it

something about being innocent until proven guilty...

If you own a fking reciever you need a fking licence. It doesn't get any simpler than that does it?

You may think its that simple but it isnt.

You dont require a licence to own a television, just use one.

You can own a television and if it is obviously not in use you do not need a licence.

There is nothing about having to have a TV licence to own a TV. Take a look on the TV licencing website. It's a mindfield of spin but nothing mentions having to have a licence to own a TV.

Yep there'll be loads of people who own tv's but don't use them.......

[Cotty]

Or to put it another way "If you are blind or severely sight impaired, you can apply for a 50% concession on the cost of your TV Licence".

So even if you can't see the picture, you still have to pay.

[SamHH]

Simpo Two said:

If you own a fking reciever you need a fking licence. It doesn't get any simpler than that does it?

Fidgits said:

well, a TV is capable of receiving TV signals - all TV's have tuners in them.

So, having a TV means you need a license - otherwise whats to stop you unplugging it when TV licensing knocks on your door?

"oh no TV detector man, I have a TV, but its unplugged - look... i dont use it"...

Well, I know people who have televisions who don't pay the TV licence, legally, in the knowledge of the TV licensing agency and the TV licensing agency's website says that you can have a TV without paying the licence, so I still don't believe it.

[esselte]

SamHH said:

Simpo Two said:

If you own a fking reciever you need a fking licence. It doesn't get any simpler than that does it?

Fidgits said:

well, a TV is capable of receiving TV signals - all TV's have tuners in them.

So, having a TV means you need a license - otherwise whats to stop you unplugging it when TV licensing knocks on your door?

"oh no TV detector man, I have a TV, but its unplugged - look... i dont use it"...

Well, I know people who have televisions who don't pay the TV licence, legally, in the knowledge of the TV licensing agency and the TV licensing agency's website says that you can have a TV without paying the licence, so I still don't believe it.

Do they actually use them? If not why do they have them?