Neighbour wanting a front extension, not pleased.

Neighbour wanting a front extension, not pleased.

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anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Serious question, as this is my assumption. Will the information provided not be just the same as what is in our possession, and unclear? We have the title deeds in our possession. If what is supplied is any different I shall do it tomorrow.
To someone used to reading deeds it will be perfectly clear.

monkfish1

11,165 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Serious question, as this is my assumption. Will the information provided not be just the same as what is in our possession, and unclear? We have the title deeds in our possession. If what is supplied is any different I shall do it tomorrow.
Im not sure what you mean by "unclear". But even if they are, im assuming you dont have his deeds? With both in front of you, it would likely make much more sense.

Do you deeds include he title plan? Thats usually pretty clear.


Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

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13,133 posts

102 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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desolate said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Serious question, as this is my assumption. Will the information provided not be just the same as what is in our possession, and unclear? We have the title deeds in our possession. If what is supplied is any different I shall do it tomorrow.
To someone used to reading deeds it will be perfectly clear.
But ultimately, shall it just be the same as what we have? We're not used to reading deeds, and it is unclear. Especially in light of the fact that the solicitor obviously had grounds to think it was communal.

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

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13,133 posts

102 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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monkfish1 said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Serious question, as this is my assumption. Will the information provided not be just the same as what is in our possession, and unclear? We have the title deeds in our possession. If what is supplied is any different I shall do it tomorrow.
Im not sure what you mean by "unclear". But even if they are, im assuming you dont have his deeds? With both in front of you, it would likely make much more sense.

Do you deeds include he title plan? Thats usually pretty clear.
No they don't include his. That is a valid point, to acquire his, which I trust we're allowed to.

monkfish1

11,165 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
No they don't include his. That is a valid point, to acquire his, which I trust we're allowed to.
Anyone can get anyones deeds. Just go on the land registry website and buy them. It IS that simple. Hence why you keep getting asked why you haven't done it yet.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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For a few quid you will deeds and plan for both properties.
You can redact any sensitive info and post here and someone will give you a decent stab at interpreting them.


monkfish1

11,165 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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desolate said:
For a few quid you will deeds and plan for both properties.
You can redact any sensitive info and post here and someone will give you a decent stab at interpreting them.
This too. Struggling to believe its that complicated.

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

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13,133 posts

102 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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OK. I missed the detail we can acquire his deeds, we'll get them bought. We have our own deeds.

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

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102 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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desolate said:
redact
I just had to Google that word, everyday is a school day! Happy to scan them and post, yes.

monkfish1

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226 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
OK. I missed the detail we can acquire his deeds, we'll get them bought. We have our own deeds.
AND title plans!

Elysium

13,936 posts

189 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
OK. I missed the detail we can acquire his deeds, we'll get them bought. We have our own deeds.
Your land registry title entry will include a plan, as will his.

Yours is probably the same as the deed pack you already hold, but for £3 each I strongly recommend that you get both.

I have asked before if your plan includes any of the front yard?

The other question is what you have access rights over. This would typically be in the form of a covenant, which will name the plot of land benefiting from the access and the land over which the access is granted, together with a plan of each.



Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

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13,133 posts

102 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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Elysium said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
OK. I missed the detail we can acquire his deeds, we'll get them bought. We have our own deeds.
Your land registry title entry will include a plan, as will his.

Yours is probably the same as the deed pack you already hold, but for £3 each I strongly recommend that you get both.

I have asked before if your plan includes any of the front yard?

The other question is what you have access rights over. This would typically be in the form of a covenant, which will name the plot of land benefiting from the access and the land over which the access is granted, together with a plan of each.
Useful info, thanks. What I have seen does show specifics for the front yard. It suggests the yards are separate ownership, but also states access rights. This conflicts with what the solicitor advised us, namely communal.

elanfan

5,521 posts

229 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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When is it all going to kick off when you tell him he can't build it and you'll object if he does then?

Why does he need such a mahoosive workshop? Business use? Sounds like Council House mentality to me (sorry don't mean to sound elitist)

Elysium

13,936 posts

189 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Elysium said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
OK. I missed the detail we can acquire his deeds, we'll get them bought. We have our own deeds.
Your land registry title entry will include a plan, as will his.

Yours is probably the same as the deed pack you already hold, but for £3 each I strongly recommend that you get both.

I have asked before if your plan includes any of the front yard?

The other question is what you have access rights over. This would typically be in the form of a covenant, which will name the plot of land benefiting from the access and the land over which the access is granted, together with a plan of each.
Useful info, thanks. What I have seen does show specifics for the front yard. It suggests the yards are separate ownership, but also states access rights. This conflicts with what the solicitor advised us, namely communal.
The deeds are what matters and there is little point in dwelling on something your solicitor said. The access rights must apply to something. What is the exact wording on the title and does it refer to a plan?



CAPP0

19,650 posts

205 months

Thursday 29th March 2018
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monkfish1 said:
Im half tempted to spend the £6 and 5 minutes to find out myself so i can relieve the tension of not knowing the answer.
I shall surmise that if you do so, you shall have better information than the OP shall currently possess.

I shall further compliment Gavia (unusually) for the fact that he shall have had the perspicacity to raise the awareness of the term "shall" in a previous post.

OP, shall you be relieving monkfish1 of his need to determine what he shall believe to be the true facts? I hazard that he shall be relieved if you do.

Edited by CAPP0 on Thursday 29th March 23:50


Edited by CAPP0 on Thursday 29th March 23:58

WindyCommon

3,389 posts

241 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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CAPP0 said:
OP, shall you be taking action on any of the advice which shall have been given in this thread, or shall you continue to mither about it until the neighbour shall decide that he shall commence building the structure that he shall desire, whereupon you shall potentially have less options to take action against that which you shall probably dislike?
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dickymint

24,560 posts

260 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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How long before the neighbour finds Pistonheads?




anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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Perhaps the OP should just email the solicitor who dealt with his purchase?

Something short and simple along the lines of....

Case/Account reference

Dear Ms/Mrs/Miss/Mr

Last year (or whenever it was) You very kindly assisted wife & I with purchase of our house, an end of terrace cottage in row of 4? (provide him with Rightmove link).

You may recall at the time of the puchase we discussed with you the status of the front gardens, whether they were individually owned, communally owned and what were the rights of access.

Our next door neighbour has expressed the wish to extend to the front of the property from the boundary with mine to X metres across and extending outwards by X metres.

My neighbour hasn't submitted a planning application as yet so I can't be certain of the effect, if any, on access to my property however, for a variety of reasons, mainly aesthetic and with a view to any effect on house values, I would rather he didn't proceed with the extension but despite discussing the matter he remains determined.

Naturally, I am aware that the planning process will allow me to comment and object.

However, I did wonder whether there may be more fundamental objections that could be raised to the proposed extension in terms of ownership of the land in front of our houses and rights of access?

Is this an area on which you could advise me?

If so, I'd be grateful if you could tell me what your charges would be and when would be your earliest availability to discuss.


Kind regards

Fermit & Mrs

Atached copies of Land Registry docs etc



Edited by irememberyou on Friday 30th March 10:43

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

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13,133 posts

102 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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irememberyou said:
Perhaps the OP should just email the solicitor who dealt with his purchase?

Something short and simple along the lines of....

Case/Account reference

Dear Ms/Mrs/Miss/Mr

Last year (or whenever it was) You very kindly assisted wife & I with purchase of our house, an end of terrace cottage in row of 4? (provide him with Rightmove link).

You may recall at the time of the puchase we discussed with you the status of the front gardens, whether they were individually owned, communally owned and what were the rights of access.

Our next door neighbour has expressed the wish to extend to the front of the property from the boundary with mine to X metres across and extending outwards by X metres.

My neighbour hasn't submitted a planning application as yet so I can't be certain of the effect, if any, on access to my property however, for a variety of reasons, mainly aesthetic and with a view to any effect on house values, I would rather he didn't proceed with the extension but despite discussing the matter he remains determined.

Naturally, I am aware that the planning process will allow me to comment and object.

However, I did wonder whether there may be more fundamental objections that could be raised to the proposed extension in terms of ownership of the land in front of our houses and rights of access?

Is this an area on which you could advise me?

If so, I'd be grateful if you could tell me what your charges would be and when would be your earliest availability to discuss.


Kind regards

Fermit & Mrs

Atached copies of Land Registry docs etc



Edited by irememberyou on Friday 30th March 10:43
Thank you, that looks pretty good. Sarah has down to London to see family and friends for the weekend, so I'll discuss with her on her return.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

101 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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Has anyone asked for photos of Sarah yet?
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