Tenant broken boiler, refusing me access to check it
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Glad I'm not a landlord, but I'd get a plumber in early next week to sort the boiler and get a gas cert, start eviction procedings at 6 months arrears, then sell at auction.
Seems least stress way and plumber is going to have to go in at some point anyway to do the gas cert, so if the broken boiler is any easy fix, it's not going to cost a great deal extra.
Seems least stress way and plumber is going to have to go in at some point anyway to do the gas cert, so if the broken boiler is any easy fix, it's not going to cost a great deal extra.
TheBinarySheep said:
Apologies, could you point me to the post. There's been so much advice from so many people who I don't know who's a professional and who's not.
It was the chap last night who mentioned managing properties for years and has landlord in his profile Read lasts nights posts where he talked about sections he would be issuing
She hasn't been paying the rent because she's skint. Get a fist full of cash and a set of locks. Offer her the cash to get out. Offer a £1k. But take £2k in case she tries to haggle.
Can you not rent the place to the local council or housing association? They wont pay much, but they will manage the s
tty tenants.
Can you not rent the place to the local council or housing association? They wont pay much, but they will manage the s
tty tenants.bobbysmithy said:
TheBinarySheep said:
Do we raise the section 8 today and give them 6 month notice, or do we wait until next month when they'll be six month in arrears and give them 1 month notice?
Read the advise given by the poster who is a professional TheBinarySheep said:
Wacky Racer said:
This.
Then the engineer can let you know whether the place is trashed or she is running a weed factory in there.
The problem here is, I suspect that they only want an engineer to go in the front door, up the stairs and straight to the boiler. Fix it, and leave. I have a feeling that they would prevent even the engineer having access to the rest of the house to service/check gas fire and gas hob.Then the engineer can let you know whether the place is trashed or she is running a weed factory in there.
t crap about knickers on the floor will show how obstructive they are being.I akready know the answer, they know you need one for a smooth eviction process. Keep pressing them to carry out the check saying you are only concerned for their safety nothing else, make them look bad in all these communicatilons.
Also start a moneyclaim for rent owed. That might be sufficient for them to p
s off one night, and get on the blower to the council tomorow morning to pay their rent to you directly as they are more than 2 months in arrears. Leeds council have done this for me without fail in the past as its abusing the public purse not forwrding on rent money. This again is usually enough to get them to move of their own accord and repeat their miserable existence with some other poor unsuspecting landlord.Edited by NextSlidePlease on Sunday 10th January 09:47
digimeistter said:
You have to provide two counts of breach of contract rent arrears being one. You can go straight for a section 8 now.
Correct me if I'm wrong. If we issue a section 8 now, we have to give them 6 month notice to vacate as they're less than 6 month in arrears.If we wait until Feb they'll be 6 month in arrears and because of that we only need to give them 4 weeks notice to vacate.
So do we issue a section 8 now, or wait until Feb? It seems to make sense to wait until February as that might get them out in 2 month rather than 6.
Or do we raise a section 8 now, then raise another next month to replace the first?
Huge sympathies for the OP, as has already been alluded too youre a soft touch which in a world full of aholes isn’t anything to be ashamed of.
Unfortunately as you’re well aware you’ve been taken for a ride , and they are continuing to do so.
I can only assume the place is trashed and/or being used a drug den, or grow house .
It is now time to ramp up things and there has been some great advice given, if you don’t like confrontation (which there will be an element of here) then engage a professional to do it for you.
You have a tenant who isn’t engaging with you (unless they want something for nothing ) and is being Obstructive at every turn, you have documented everything ,let them go to court , any magistrate with half a brain cell will see what’s going on here. Covid or not , 6 months is nearly upon you- get that eviction notice served the minute you can.
In the meantime , I wouldn’t be doing anything she asked, there’s tenants rights but she has forfeited any of those with her behaviour , she’s run out of relatives who’ve died or got covid by now and of course it’s all b*llocks.
Wish you well and do feel for you ....it’s so weighted against landlords now more than ever.
bobbysmithy said:
TheBinarySheep said:
Do we raise the section 8 today and give them 6 month notice, or do we wait until next month when they'll be six month in arrears and give them 1 month notice?
Read the advise given by the poster who is a professional https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/evic...
Seems you can issue both notices provided the right arises. So if you issue the ‘long’ notice will it make her pay a little or make sure she doesn’t. Tactically, at this stage, don’t you want to encourage non payment so that the right to the ‘short’ notice arises?
Fckitdriveon said:
Huge sympathies for the OP, as has already been alluded too youre a soft touch which in a world full of aholes isn’t anything to be ashamed of.
Unfortunately as you’re well aware you’ve been taken for a ride , and they are continuing to do so.
I can only assume the place is trashed and/or being used a drug den, or grow house .
It is now time to ramp up things and there has been some great advice given, if you don’t like confrontation (which there will be an element of here) then engage a professional to do it for you.
You have a tenant who isn’t engaging with you (unless they want something for nothing ) and is being Obstructive at every turn, you have documented everything ,let them go to court , any magistrate with half a brain cell will see what’s going on here. Covid or not , 6 months is nearly upon you- get that eviction notice served the minute you can.
In the meantime , I wouldn’t be doing anything she asked, there’s tenants rights but she has forfeited any of those with her behaviour , she’s run out of relatives who’ve died or got covid by now and of course it’s all b*llocks.
Wish you well and do feel for you ....it’s so weighted against landlords now more than ever.
We always try to treat others in the same way that we'd like to be treat. It's one of our many faults.Unfortunately as you’re well aware you’ve been taken for a ride , and they are continuing to do so.
I can only assume the place is trashed and/or being used a drug den, or grow house .
It is now time to ramp up things and there has been some great advice given, if you don’t like confrontation (which there will be an element of here) then engage a professional to do it for you.
You have a tenant who isn’t engaging with you (unless they want something for nothing ) and is being Obstructive at every turn, you have documented everything ,let them go to court , any magistrate with half a brain cell will see what’s going on here. Covid or not , 6 months is nearly upon you- get that eviction notice served the minute you can.
In the meantime , I wouldn’t be doing anything she asked, there’s tenants rights but she has forfeited any of those with her behaviour , she’s run out of relatives who’ve died or got covid by now and of course it’s all b*llocks.
Wish you well and do feel for you ....it’s so weighted against landlords now more than ever.
Austin_Metro said:
I found this helpful:
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/evic...
Seems you can issue both notices provided the right arises. So if you issue the ‘long’ notice will it make her pay a little or make sure she doesn’t. Tactically, at this stage, don’t you want to encourage non payment so that the right to the ‘short’ notice arises?
Yes, if we're being tactical about it, we don't really want them to pay any more money so that they reach 6 month of arrears. If we raise a section 8 today it could make them aware (if they're not already) and they'll make a payment.https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/evic...
Seems you can issue both notices provided the right arises. So if you issue the ‘long’ notice will it make her pay a little or make sure she doesn’t. Tactically, at this stage, don’t you want to encourage non payment so that the right to the ‘short’ notice arises?
TheBinarySheep said:
Fckitdriveon said:
Huge sympathies for the OP, as has already been alluded too youre a soft touch which in a world full of aholes isn’t anything to be ashamed of.
Unfortunately as you’re well aware you’ve been taken for a ride , and they are continuing to do so.
I can only assume the place is trashed and/or being used a drug den, or grow house .
It is now time to ramp up things and there has been some great advice given, if you don’t like confrontation (which there will be an element of here) then engage a professional to do it for you.
You have a tenant who isn’t engaging with you (unless they want something for nothing ) and is being Obstructive at every turn, you have documented everything ,let them go to court , any magistrate with half a brain cell will see what’s going on here. Covid or not , 6 months is nearly upon you- get that eviction notice served the minute you can.
In the meantime , I wouldn’t be doing anything she asked, there’s tenants rights but she has forfeited any of those with her behaviour , she’s run out of relatives who’ve died or got covid by now and of course it’s all b*llocks.
Wish you well and do feel for you ....it’s so weighted against landlords now more than ever.
We always try to treat others in the same way that we'd like to be treat. It's one of our many faults.Unfortunately as you’re well aware you’ve been taken for a ride , and they are continuing to do so.
I can only assume the place is trashed and/or being used a drug den, or grow house .
It is now time to ramp up things and there has been some great advice given, if you don’t like confrontation (which there will be an element of here) then engage a professional to do it for you.
You have a tenant who isn’t engaging with you (unless they want something for nothing ) and is being Obstructive at every turn, you have documented everything ,let them go to court , any magistrate with half a brain cell will see what’s going on here. Covid or not , 6 months is nearly upon you- get that eviction notice served the minute you can.
In the meantime , I wouldn’t be doing anything she asked, there’s tenants rights but she has forfeited any of those with her behaviour , she’s run out of relatives who’ve died or got covid by now and of course it’s all b*llocks.
Wish you well and do feel for you ....it’s so weighted against landlords now more than ever.
However .....what you do now will decide whether that kindness is a fault or not.
This is one of those threads where my sympathy level for the OP is rapidly going out of the window. I feel for him having a house that sounds like it's in negative equity or certainly has lost money on.
But to take on a tennant that can't raise the full deposit, doesn't ever make the difference up and then the OP lends them money back is just beyond belief.
Then to ask advice on here about the boiler/tennant/potential eviction and then to go on to ignore the very sensible pointers that people have given him is boarder line infuriating!!!
But to take on a tennant that can't raise the full deposit, doesn't ever make the difference up and then the OP lends them money back is just beyond belief.
Then to ask advice on here about the boiler/tennant/potential eviction and then to go on to ignore the very sensible pointers that people have given him is boarder line infuriating!!!
TheBinarySheep said:
digimeistter said:
You have to provide two counts of breach of contract rent arrears being one. You can go straight for a section 8 now.
Correct me if I'm wrong. If we issue a section 8 now, we have to give them 6 month notice to vacate as they're less than 6 month in arrears.If we wait until Feb they'll be 6 month in arrears and because of that we only need to give them 4 weeks notice to vacate.
So do we issue a section 8 now, or wait until Feb? It seems to make sense to wait until February as that might get them out in 2 month rather than 6.
Or do we raise a section 8 now, then raise another next month to replace the first?
digimeistter said:
I don't think that link takes into account the changes made to notice periods during the Covid crisis.Matt_E_Mulsion said:
This is one of those threads where my sympathy level for the OP is rapidly going out of the window. I feel for him having a house that sounds like it's in negative equity or certainly has lost money on.
But to take on a tennant that can't raise the full deposit, doesn't ever make the difference up and then the OP lends them money back is just beyond belief.
Then to ask advice on here about the boiler/tennant/potential eviction and then to go on to ignore the very sensible pointers that people have given him is boarder line infuriating!!!
This. Which is a shame as I am sure he is a nice guy.But to take on a tennant that can't raise the full deposit, doesn't ever make the difference up and then the OP lends them money back is just beyond belief.
Then to ask advice on here about the boiler/tennant/potential eviction and then to go on to ignore the very sensible pointers that people have given him is boarder line infuriating!!!
But when he posted this...: 'I've emailed the tenant this morning just asking how she got on'.
OP seems more willing to post repeat questions than look at who is providing the advice.
She’s bound to go running to Shelter, it’s the norm for scum tenants playing games with their landlord.
She may also involve local authority too, they’ll be all over any property defects, especially related to heating and hot water, no matter that she won’t grant you access.
I’d be inclined to use a proper eviction solicitor in your case.
If you don’t get all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed you’ll end up even more out of pocket with a tenant you can’t get rid of who is wrecking your property.
BTW, so many posters telling you to man up and smash her back doors in, please ignore them, you need to tread very carefully as she is holding all the aces, tenants have rights and will have all the physical and mental health issues to fight you off with.
She may also involve local authority too, they’ll be all over any property defects, especially related to heating and hot water, no matter that she won’t grant you access.
I’d be inclined to use a proper eviction solicitor in your case.
If you don’t get all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed you’ll end up even more out of pocket with a tenant you can’t get rid of who is wrecking your property.
BTW, so many posters telling you to man up and smash her back doors in, please ignore them, you need to tread very carefully as she is holding all the aces, tenants have rights and will have all the physical and mental health issues to fight you off with.
Edited by KingofKong on Sunday 10th January 10:11
bobbysmithy said:
This. Which is a shame as I am sure he is a nice guy.
But when he posted this...: 'I've emailed the tenant this morning just asking how she got on'.
OP seems more willing to post repeat questions than look at who is providing the advice.
Again, apologies if it seems like I'm not taking advice on board. I've got it coming from all different directions at the minute and sadly I'm not familiar enough with PH to check profiles etc. Now I know about it, I'm checking.But when he posted this...: 'I've emailed the tenant this morning just asking how she got on'.
OP seems more willing to post repeat questions than look at who is providing the advice.
I'm learning every day.
TheBinarySheep said:
Again, apologies if it seems like I'm not taking advice on board. I've got it coming from all different directions at the minute and sadly I'm not familiar enough with PH to check profiles etc. Now I know about it, I'm checking.
I'm learning every day.
Ok, let me dig the post out for you. You just click on his name.I'm learning every day.
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