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I'm looking to change our outdated and old timer stat for our Baxi duo tec combi boiler. One of the reasons been is that you can only set the heating on/off in increments of an hour where been able to turn it on/off at say 6.30 to 7.20 would be better than the current 6 to 8. Do the timers on these new smart meters work that way?
I like the idea of been able to put heat into certain zones as we have a dual stove burner in the lounge but not too keen on some of the prices.
I like the idea of been able to put heat into certain zones as we have a dual stove burner in the lounge but not too keen on some of the prices.
Nath911t said:
I'm looking to change our outdated and old timer stat for our Baxi duo tec combi boiler. One of the reasons been is that you can only set the heating on/off in increments of an hour where been able to turn it on/off at say 6.30 to 7.20 would be better than the current 6 to 8. Do the timers on these new smart meters work that way?
I like the idea of been able to put heat into certain zones as we have a dual stove burner in the lounge but not too keen on some of the prices.
On the latter.I like the idea of been able to put heat into certain zones as we have a dual stove burner in the lounge but not too keen on some of the prices.
Would TRVs on rads near the stove do much of what you want cheaply? If you want tech then there are remote control ones.
jet_noise said:
Nath911t said:
I'm looking to change our outdated and old timer stat for our Baxi duo tec combi boiler. One of the reasons been is that you can only set the heating on/off in increments of an hour where been able to turn it on/off at say 6.30 to 7.20 would be better than the current 6 to 8. Do the timers on these new smart meters work that way?
I like the idea of been able to put heat into certain zones as we have a dual stove burner in the lounge but not too keen on some of the prices.
On the latter.I like the idea of been able to put heat into certain zones as we have a dual stove burner in the lounge but not too keen on some of the prices.
Would TRVs on rads near the stove do much of what you want cheaply? If you want tech then there are remote control ones.
Mr Pointy said:
jet_noise said:
Nath911t said:
I'm looking to change our outdated and old timer stat for our Baxi duo tec combi boiler. One of the reasons been is that you can only set the heating on/off in increments of an hour where been able to turn it on/off at say 6.30 to 7.20 would be better than the current 6 to 8. Do the timers on these new smart meters work that way?
I like the idea of been able to put heat into certain zones as we have a dual stove burner in the lounge but not too keen on some of the prices.
On the latter.I like the idea of been able to put heat into certain zones as we have a dual stove burner in the lounge but not too keen on some of the prices.
Would TRVs on rads near the stove do much of what you want cheaply? If you want tech then there are remote control ones.
If smart means setting different rads to different temps and allowing them to turn on/off separately then it something I could probably do with. I've got 7 rads including a towel rad in the bathroom plumbed in to a Baxi duo tec run by a towerstat rf control.
My pet hate at the moment is having to put the heater timer on in hour increments. If I could do it in increments of say 10 minutes or whatever that would save a few hours a week on it's own and would help pay for the new set up.
Nath911t said:
Pretty much so. When the outside temps drop I like to get the stove going and as you say it turns the heating off for the rest of the place. On the flip side, if I don't put the stove on that room gets colder than the rest of the house.
If smart means setting different rads to different temps and allowing them to turn on/off separately then it something I could probably do with. I've got 7 rads including a towel rad in the bathroom plumbed in to a Baxi duo tec run by a towerstat rf control.
My pet hate at the moment is having to put the heater timer on in hour increments. If I could do it in increments of say 10 minutes or whatever that would save a few hours a week on it's own and would help pay for the new set up.
The new timers will set in much smaller increments than an hour so they will do what you want, although a full smart system will be at least £600 so you'd need to save a lot of fuel to pay that back. For me it's case of getting the whole house warm & not just the lounge.If smart means setting different rads to different temps and allowing them to turn on/off separately then it something I could probably do with. I've got 7 rads including a towel rad in the bathroom plumbed in to a Baxi duo tec run by a towerstat rf control.
My pet hate at the moment is having to put the heater timer on in hour increments. If I could do it in increments of say 10 minutes or whatever that would save a few hours a week on it's own and would help pay for the new set up.
Zoned heating will save money, how much per year is like looking into a crystal ball given the varied amount of different houses, insulation and heating habits.
On my house our energy supplier brought our monthly direct debit down from £120 to now £70 over the course of half a year, but the comfort level is huge too, no more half cold half hot house with poorly placed thermostats.
On my house our energy supplier brought our monthly direct debit down from £120 to now £70 over the course of half a year, but the comfort level is huge too, no more half cold half hot house with poorly placed thermostats.
Yep, it's a big investment (no matter the system) but will make it's money back - certainly in my house. I was forever leaving rads turned on when there was nobody about, and if I turned the dining room on for having people round it would stay on for a week before I went in there again. Now they all come on and off as needed - and if I'm having people round can set the heating in that room to come on for 5 hours as a one-off.
I like Tado, but others like other things - it is , however, like the "body only" cordless tool trap - once you buy into a brand you are stuck with them unless you want to replace the lot.
Incidentally, I remember reading ages ago that Tado was, not "ipen source" as such, but something along those lines. "Released their API" or something rings a bell.
Does this leave a door open (in a good way) for IT people to code stuff, or is it merely so that third parties like IFTTT can work with it?
I like Tado, but others like other things - it is , however, like the "body only" cordless tool trap - once you buy into a brand you are stuck with them unless you want to replace the lot.
Incidentally, I remember reading ages ago that Tado was, not "ipen source" as such, but something along those lines. "Released their API" or something rings a bell.
Does this leave a door open (in a good way) for IT people to code stuff, or is it merely so that third parties like IFTTT can work with it?
Nath911t said:
Pretty much so. When the outside temps drop I like to get the stove going and as you say it turns the heating off for the rest of the place. On the flip side, if I don't put the stove on that room gets colder than the rest of the house.
If smart means setting different rads to different temps and allowing them to turn on/off separately then it something I could probably do with. I've got 7 rads including a towel rad in the bathroom plumbed in to a Baxi duo tec run by a towerstat rf control.
My pet hate at the moment is having to put the heater timer on in hour increments. If I could do it in increments of say 10 minutes or whatever that would save a few hours a week on it's own and would help pay for the new set up.
You'll need to check your boiler compatibility, but a Tado thermostat (£180) and the separate Extension Kit (£80) will solve your annoyances:If smart means setting different rads to different temps and allowing them to turn on/off separately then it something I could probably do with. I've got 7 rads including a towel rad in the bathroom plumbed in to a Baxi duo tec run by a towerstat rf control.
My pet hate at the moment is having to put the heater timer on in hour increments. If I could do it in increments of say 10 minutes or whatever that would save a few hours a week on it's own and would help pay for the new set up.
Annoyance 1 - Stove on, heating off
As explained above, this is caused by your current thermostat being located and hardwired in the same room as your stove. The above Tado kit will give you a new battery powered thermostat that you can place in any room (so you can stick/screw it to the wall in you hall for example). The battery powered bit is important as it means it doesn't need hardwiring where you put it. This will cure your put stove on/rest of the house cold issue. (This can be helped by fitting manual TRVs to the rads in your living room for peanuts as suggested above)
Annoyance 2 - hourly increments of heating
The Tado kit is controllable down to the minute via an extremely good app on your phone.
I've had a full Tado kit including TRVs to all rads installed for a week and I cannot stress how impressed I've been with the system. Once you've got your head around the logic (top tip you need a smart TRV in the room with your thermostat), it is incredibly simple to use and very effective.
Re costs, there are two ways of looking at this. Firstly you can obsess about whether it will/will not pay back over a fixed period of time.
Alternatively, you can think about how annoyed you are with your current set up and think that £250 will solve it. The added benefit will be that you'll get some of that money back over time.
For me that is a small cost to have a home that is comfortably heated.
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@ shady lee Do you have OpenTherm with your evohome? I have an OpenTherm replacement boiler covered by insurance due to the old one being beyond uneconomical repair.
I have been dissuaded from going OT due to hot water priorisation as I have an s-plan set up and would be a bad system as S & Y Plan systems were designed in a time where water temperature for heating and hot water was the same. With OpenTherm, space heating can be at a very different temperature (maybe 30 Deg C) to what is then required for hot water reheat (70+ Deg C) and therefore not ideal for modulation system conversions.
I assume you have a HW cylinder?I have been dissuaded from going OT due to hot water priorisation as I have an s-plan set up and would be a bad system as S & Y Plan systems were designed in a time where water temperature for heating and hot water was the same. With OpenTherm, space heating can be at a very different temperature (maybe 30 Deg C) to what is then required for hot water reheat (70+ Deg C) and therefore not ideal for modulation system conversions.
Evohome boosts the CH temperature to 80 degrees when the HW reheat cycle is on, to solve this exact issue you refer to.
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