Bowed external stone wall
Discussion
Simpo Two said:
227bhp said:
Simpo Two said:
How about those big round wall tie plate thingies? Could stop it going any further, and maybe crank it in half a turn once a week...?
They go from ext wall to ext wall so can't be used in a back to back - unless you own both or it's been knocked through of course.Buttress? It's worked on churches etc for centuries.
It's at the bottom of a hill of very old terraces (16th/17th/18th century) and I'm guessing over time the whole lot had drifted and leant down the hill and were pushing the end one over.
The decision to rebuild the house wall of this thread should have been made years ago, when something has gone 15" a few ties aren't going to stop it going any further, it was a bad decision by some 'professional'.
227bhp said:
The decision to rebuild the house wall of this thread should have been made years ago, when something has gone 15" a few ties aren't going to stop it going any further, it was a bad decision by some 'professional'.
Just as likely by some so-called 'builder'. It's ultimately the poor decision of the householder as without a doubt any professional would have recommended ties in the early stages and rebuilding latterly.OP what was the recommendation in your report?
gobuddygo said:
The latest report (by the same SE) says it needs rebuilding, I might try to get the company who did the original work and provided a guarantee to contribute to the cost, going in all guns blazing probably wont work.
I doubt you will get anywhere with that company though so its hardly worth trying. It would be interesting to know the scope of the previous work, and what exactly was designed. I have come across many occasions when 'repairs' are completed only to find they were nothing like what was actually needed. V6Pushfit said:
227bhp said:
The decision to rebuild the house wall of this thread should have been made years ago, when something has gone 15" a few ties aren't going to stop it going any further, it was a bad decision by some 'professional'.
Just as likely by some so-called 'builder'. It's ultimately the poor decision of the householder as without a doubt any professional would have recommended ties in the early stages and rebuilding latterly.You can't blame the owner, they took the advice of a Professional.
V6Pushfit said:
227bhp said:
It was the Structural Surveyor that made the decision.
You can't blame the owner, they took the advice of a Professional.
As I said it would be interesting to know the detailYou can't blame the owner, they took the advice of a Professional.
gobuddygo said:
Just an update on this - yes i know its been years - when the structural surveyor came at the time he recommended that wall ties were added spanning outer and inner wall and straps added tying the outer wall to the joists, building society happy with this and the work was done and sale proceeded.
Company that did the job gave a 10 year guarantee on their work, the outer wall has now moved further about an inch you can tell this by the gap around the bathroom window on the bowed wall, its moved away from the internal wall, no cracking of plaster so its not the internal wall.
Step daughter has had the original structural surveyor around today and he now recommends completely rebuilding the wall.
Just wondering what the view is on how she proceeds with this as she is looking to sell soon.
Cheers
Frank.
In instances such as this a lender/insurance company or estate agent won't take any advice from a builder, it has to be from someone with no experience, but letters after their name and a University degree.Company that did the job gave a 10 year guarantee on their work, the outer wall has now moved further about an inch you can tell this by the gap around the bathroom window on the bowed wall, its moved away from the internal wall, no cracking of plaster so its not the internal wall.
Step daughter has had the original structural surveyor around today and he now recommends completely rebuilding the wall.
Just wondering what the view is on how she proceeds with this as she is looking to sell soon.
Cheers
Frank.
Personally I wouldn't be giving the surveyor anymore work if that was his advice, I would be taking legal advice, but I strongly suspect he will have covered his arse with a legal clause. That isn't to say that the builders did a shoddy job either though.
Edited by 227bhp on Friday 18th December 11:49
227bhp said:
In instances such as this a lender/insurance company or estate agent won't take any advice from a builder, it has to be from someone with no experience, but letters after their name and a University degree.
Personally I wouldn't be giving the surveyor anymore work if that was his advice, I would be taking legal advice, but I strongly suspect he will have covered his arse with a legal clause. That isn't to say that the builders did a shoddy job either though.
In this case the builder and 'structural whatever' are one and the same company:Personally I wouldn't be giving the surveyor anymore work if that was his advice, I would be taking legal advice, but I strongly suspect he will have covered his arse with a legal clause. That isn't to say that the builders did a shoddy job either though.
gobuddygo said:
Just confirmed with her it's a Structural Engineer who apparently works for the company who did the work, may need to get more details and she cant find the guarantee.
The nightmare scenario could be that when she bought the place only the outer leaf needed to be rebuilt but now that wall ties have been installed it appears that both leaves have moved the latest inch of deflection so it will be a close call as to whether both leaves need to be rebuilt.bobtail4x4 said:
I had someone telling me they would "push" the wall back with a jcb,
I asked if I could watch with a camera for you been framed.
Much as i would love that to be a solution and it would be great to see it wont be happening.I asked if I could watch with a camera for you been framed.
Going to wait until New Year before doing anything further as i doubt i will get any progress over the next few weeks.
Thanks for the responses and have a HAPPY CHRISTMAS.
TA14 said:
Grandad Gaz said:
15" is a hell of a lot. The first floor joists must run parallel with the bowed walls, otherwise they would have collapsed by now!
Rather than the normal meaning of back to back I think he means that it's a rubble fill stone wall and the external leaf has parted from the inner leaf which has not moved; this would account for the lack of damage inside. You would think that the walls ties are actually pattress plates and rods.Our outer wall (ironstone) was bowed when we bought the house - it eventually parted company one Christmas Eve a couple of years ago. We could hear the rubble infill moving for about an hour before it collapsed.
It's going nowhere these days
The structural engineer wasn't keen on drilling the interior wall to fit ties (there were none originally) so the filling is now concrete rather than rubble.
In this case the builder and 'structural whatever' are one and the same company:
gobuddygo said:
Just confirmed with her it's a Structural Engineer who apparently works for the company who did the work, may need to get more details and she cant find the guarantee.
The nightmare scenario could be that when she bought the place only the outer leaf needed to be rebuilt but now that wall ties have been installed it appears that both leaves have moved the latest inch of deflection so it will be a close call as to whether both leaves need to be rebuilt.gobuddygo said:
The latest report (by the same SE) says it needs rebuilding, I might try to get the company who did the original work and provided a guarantee to contribute to the cost, going in all guns blazing probably wont work.
Which suggests otherwise 
Strange that if he is connected he didn't suggest a complete re-build which would have been a better job, created more work and made them more money....
Gassing Station | Homes, Gardens and DIY | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff