Neighbour wanting a front extension, not pleased.

[DonkeyApple]

Equus said:

El stovey said:

Rewe said:

Whatever happens, I’d put your own gay and path in.

Agreed.

You can never put enough gay into the front of your house.

No, I'm not sure this is right at all. Traditionally, gay usually goes into the back, I think.

This is what comes of the OP's obsession with overbaring, though?

OP looks to have a back passage which is surely the more traditional and simple Victorian approach?

[DonkeyApple]

Here’s another idea, if you FiL is a builder can you get him to swap your front window with your front door? Might sound crazy but if your neighbour builds right up to your door and that makes you and your wife miserable then there is the option for you to move your door?

Do you need planning permission to make such a change? If not and you did it quickly then would the new window and the 45 degree rules force his porch away from your property?

Pretty bonkers and extreme but worth mulling over?

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

DonkeyApple said:

Here’s another idea, if you FiL is a builder can you get him to swap your front window with your front door? Might sound crazy but if your neighbour builds right up to your door and that makes you and your wife miserable then there is the option for you to move your door?

Do you need planning permission to make such a change? If not and you did it quickly then would the new window and the 45 degree rules force his porch away from your property?

Pretty bonkers and extreme but worth mulling over?

It is a good idea, but not viable. This is inside the front room.



Behind the sofa is the window, so a door would essentially be near the middle of the room. Also all the wiring for my Pro-Logic is buried under the wooden floor, so no real scope to alter the layout. Thanks for sharing the thought anyways.

[PositronicRay]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

DonkeyApple said:

Here’s another idea, if you FiL is a builder can you get him to swap your front window with your front door? Might sound crazy but if your neighbour builds right up to your door and that makes you and your wife miserable then there is the option for you to move your door?

Do you need planning permission to make such a change? If not and you did it quickly then would the new window and the 45 degree rules force his porch away from your property?

Pretty bonkers and extreme but worth mulling over?

It is a good idea, but not viable. This is inside the front room.



Behind the sofa is the window, so a door would essentially be near the middle of the room. Also all the wiring for my Pro-Logic is buried under the wooden floor, so no real scope to alter the layout. Thanks for sharing the thought anyways.

I think it's an excellent solution, do the swap just as pp is applied for, make your legitimate complaint, then swap back once the refusal notice is issued.

Or just stick a window in and use the back door for a bit. I lived in a similar end terrace, I didn't use the front door at all, just stuck some furniture behind it.

Edited by PositronicRay on Saturday 4th May 16:55

[dickymint]

DonkeyApple said:

Here’s another idea, if you FiL is a builder can you get him to swap your front window with your front door? Might sound crazy but if your neighbour builds right up to your door and that makes you and your wife miserable then there is the option for you to move your door?

Do you need planning permission to make such a change? If not and you did it quickly then would the new window and the 45 degree rules force his porch away from your property?

Pretty bonkers and extreme but worth mulling over?

Devils advocate here - 45 degree rule is only a “rule of thumb” there are calculations that can overturn this. Also if the neighbour opts to use Permited Development (as he probably is quite entitled to) then the 45 degree rule does not even apply?

.......just saying

[PositronicRay]

dickymint said:

DonkeyApple said:

Here’s another idea, if you FiL is a builder can you get him to swap your front window with your front door? Might sound crazy but if your neighbour builds right up to your door and that makes you and your wife miserable then there is the option for you to move your door?

Do you need planning permission to make such a change? If not and you did it quickly then would the new window and the 45 degree rules force his porch away from your property?

Pretty bonkers and extreme but worth mulling over?

Devils advocate here - 45 degree rule is only a “rule of thumb” there are calculations that can overturn this. Also if the neighbour opts to use Permited Development (as he probably is quite entitled to) then the 45 degree rule does not apply!

.......just saying

They can't use pd, it needs to be over 2m from a boundary.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

I think all said we're likely to go with his proposal to move it back a few feet, and allowing us to fence the concrete cut 'boundary'.

It does make a difference. Original proposed position -



new proposed position -

[dickymint]

PositronicRay said:

dickymint said:

DonkeyApple said:

Here’s another idea, if you FiL is a builder can you get him to swap your front window with your front door? Might sound crazy but if your neighbour builds right up to your door and that makes you and your wife miserable then there is the option for you to move your door?

Do you need planning permission to make such a change? If not and you did it quickly then would the new window and the 45 degree rules force his porch away from your property?

Pretty bonkers and extreme but worth mulling over?

Devils advocate here - 45 degree rule is only a “rule of thumb” there are calculations that can overturn this. Also if the neighbour opts to use Permited Development (as he probably is quite entitled to) then the 45 degree rule does not apply!

.......just saying

They can't use pd, it needs to be over 2m from a boundary.

"two metres of any boundary of the dwellinghouse and the highway" to be precise and looks to be easily doable.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Is that PD, to build 2 metres from a neighbours boundary? We had thought it was 1.

[BaldOldMan]

Two

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/commo...

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

BaldOldMan said:

Two from the highway - no mention of neighbours

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/commo...

I am certain there is something when you're in a terrace or a semi that you have to be so far from a boundary without permission.

[Equus]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Is that PD, to build 2 metres from a neighbours boundary? We had thought it was 1.

The one metre figure is associated with Building Regulations exemptions, not Planning.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Equus said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Is that PD, to build 2 metres from a neighbours boundary? We had thought it was 1.

The one metre figure is associated with Building Regulations exemptions, not Planning.

Ah OK, thanks for the clarification.

[BaldOldMan]

You beat my edit - it does also say 2m from boundary - so he'd need planning permission

[Equus]

BaldOldMan said:

You beat my edit - it does also say 2m from boundary - so he'd need planning permission

It says (to be even more precise than Dickymint, quoting directly from the GPDO) "...any part of the structure would be within 2 metres of any boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse with a highway."

So in the OP's case the measurement would need to be 2 metres from the outside face of the garden wall at the back edge of the pavement for it to potentially be PD (subject to the size limits). For clarity; there is no restriction on how close a porch may be to the party boundary with his neighbour. The definition of the word 'curtilage' can be important (though not in this instance).

[dickymint]

Equus said:

BaldOldMan said:

You beat my edit - it does also say 2m from boundary - so he'd need planning permission

It says (to be even more precise than Dickymint, quoting directly from the GPDO) "...any part of the structure would be within 2 metres of any boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse with a highway."

So in the OP's case the measurement would need to be 2 metres from the outside face of the garden wall at the back edge of the pavement for it to potentially be PD (subject to the size limits). For clarity; there is no restriction on how close a porch may be to the party boundary with his neighbour. The definition of the word 'curtilage' can be important (though not in this instance).

So OP can think himself lucky that neighbour has given up with the toilet idea - which is probably why he is now prepared not to build right up to the boundary which would possibly take him over the 3 sq metre area for PD.

Therefore no planning application for OP to object to.

Edited by dickymint on Saturday 4th May 21:54

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

dickymint said:

Equus said:

BaldOldMan said:

You beat my edit - it does also say 2m from boundary - so he'd need planning permission

It says (to be even more precise than Dickymint, quoting directly from the GPDO) "...any part of the structure would be within 2 metres of any boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse with a highway."

So in the OP's case the measurement would need to be 2 metres from the outside face of the garden wall at the back edge of the pavement for it to potentially be PD (subject to the size limits). For clarity; there is no restriction on how close a porch may be to the party boundary with his neighbour. The definition of the word 'curtilage' can be important (though not in this instance).

So OP can think himself lucky that neighbour has given up with the toilet idea - which is probably why he is now prepared not to build right up to the boundary which would possibly take him over the 3 sq metre area for PD.

Therefore no planning application for OP to object to.

Edited by dickymint on Saturday 4th May 21:54

His latest proposal will still see him well over 3ms, but the proximity of it has always been our issue. The suggested compromise is looking likely. A few feet from our boundary, no bog, fencing to separate (which he is all in favour of)

[dickymint]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

dickymint said:

Equus said:

BaldOldMan said:

You beat my edit - it does also say 2m from boundary - so he'd need planning permission

It says (to be even more precise than Dickymint, quoting directly from the GPDO) "...any part of the structure would be within 2 metres of any boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse with a highway."

So in the OP's case the measurement would need to be 2 metres from the outside face of the garden wall at the back edge of the pavement for it to potentially be PD (subject to the size limits). For clarity; there is no restriction on how close a porch may be to the party boundary with his neighbour. The definition of the word 'curtilage' can be important (though not in this instance).

So OP can think himself lucky that neighbour has given up with the toilet idea - which is probably why he is now prepared not to build right up to the boundary which would possibly take him over the 3 sq metre area for PD.

Therefore no planning application for OP to object to.

Edited by dickymint on Saturday 4th May 21:54

His latest proposal will still see him well over 3ms, but the proximity of it has always been our issue. The suggested compromise is looking likely. A few feet from our boundary, no bog, fencing to separate (which he is all in favour of)

Cool - and nice to see that you can both deal with this like adults and get on with things

PS. How about taking your front wall down, replacing with a wooden fence with a more usable gate - that'll give you the 600 bricks you've been trying to source for around the back

[Equus]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

His latest proposal will still see him well over 3ms,

One thing to bear in mind is that Planners should (though I acknowledge that not all do) be assessing any planning application for an extension in terms of the additional harm (if any) above what would be allowed as Permitted Development.

Therefore if it only needs Planning Permission because it is wider than would be allowed as PD, they should be looking at the issue of proximity to your boundary/door by thinking 'how overbearing would a narrower PD porch that close to the boundary be, and is this any worse in that respect?'.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

dickymint said:

Cool - and nice to see that you can both deal with this like adults and get on with things

PS. How about taking your front wall down, replacing with a wooden fence with a more usable gate - that'll give you the 600 bricks you've been trying to source for around the back

We like the wall as a feature, and to completely destroy a 146 year old Victorian wall would be sacrilege in our eyes.