Neighbour wanting a front extension, not pleased.

[anonymous-user]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Yes, we love our house, the spot it's in, its gardens. Most of the time we have good neighbourly relations. Our objections to this are directly related to ensuring it stays that way.

In our area at least untidy homes are given orders to sort them. It wouldn't become tatty (I can't remember the wording you used) as they are house proud - manicured plants and flowers, hanging baskets, smart stones etc.

That's great until a bellend moves in next door.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

desolate said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Yes, we love our house, the spot it's in, its gardens. Most of the time we have good neighbourly relations. Our objections to this are directly related to ensuring it stays that way.

In our area at least untidy homes are given orders to sort them. It wouldn't become tatty (I can't remember the wording you used) as they are house proud - manicured plants and flowers, hanging baskets, smart stones etc.

That's great until a bellend moves in next door.

1. It's not our forever home. It is likely theirs, considering he is in his 60's. We are likely to be gone before them.
2. That comes as a risk buying in to a terrace. If a house of our ilk, offering all it does was available as a detached for £80k we would have bought it, but it doesn't. As mentioned earlier this is what we had to spend, to pay off the mortgage. A nice detached house, or mortgage free at just 40?
3. The sky could fall in tomorrow, we could get hit by a bus. Neither will probably happen. We'll worry about st if it ever happens, and not before.

[CAPP0]

desolate said:

That's great until a bellend moves in next door.

[dickymint]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

dickymint said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Equus said:

desolate said:

Would having a toilet on the boundary be a relevant factor in the decision?

Nope, not even slightly.

Really, a toilet next door to our front door behind a wooden structure. Greeting a guest 'oh don't worry about the grunting and the stink, that's just the neighbour squeezing one out'

Would anyone be happy about that?

What grunting and stink? Come on let’s be real about this - you won’t see it, you won’t smell it, it would hardly ever be used to pee in let alone shat in.Any guests to your house won’t have a clue what’s there unless you tell them

Get a grip.

This is quite a reasonable concern. This is not going to be a brick build, it will be a wooden structure without sound proofing. We hear every single thing he does in his wooden structured workshop, so it's completely logical that you would hear as much from this. No smells? well, IIRC BC require a vent for a bog. Where would this go then smartarse, on the front as an eyesore, or tucked away on the side, adjacent to our front door.

Everyone we have spoken to, intelligent rational people, who will happily correct me if I'm wrong, agree it is in poor taste.

It's a moot point though, he has made no further mention of it, instead mentioning coat and shoe storage in this area.

Smartarse here - try googling Durgo.

I’m out of this thread but like I said earlier it’s good to see you and your neighbour still able to talk to each other.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

dickymint said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

dickymint said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Equus said:

desolate said:

Would having a toilet on the boundary be a relevant factor in the decision?

Nope, not even slightly.

Really, a toilet next door to our front door behind a wooden structure. Greeting a guest 'oh don't worry about the grunting and the stink, that's just the neighbour squeezing one out'

Would anyone be happy about that?

What grunting and stink? Come on let’s be real about this - you won’t see it, you won’t smell it, it would hardly ever be used to pee in let alone shat in.Any guests to your house won’t have a clue what’s there unless you tell them

Get a grip.

This is quite a reasonable concern. This is not going to be a brick build, it will be a wooden structure without sound proofing. We hear every single thing he does in his wooden structured workshop, so it's completely logical that you would hear as much from this. No smells? well, IIRC BC require a vent for a bog. Where would this go then smartarse, on the front as an eyesore, or tucked away on the side, adjacent to our front door.

Everyone we have spoken to, intelligent rational people, who will happily correct me if I'm wrong, agree it is in poor taste.

It's a moot point though, he has made no further mention of it, instead mentioning coat and shoe storage in this area.

Smartarse here - try googling Durgo.

I’m out of this thread but like I said earlier it’s good to see you and your neighbour still able to talk to each other.

Fair enough, I'd not seen them before. I'm still satisfied it will not contain sound though, and for that reason we'd still be unhappy at it being proposed.

[Equus]

DonkeyApple said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Equus said:

desolate said:

Would having a toilet on the boundary be a relevant factor in the decision?

Nope, not even slightly.

Really, a toilet next door to our front door behind a wooden structure. Greeting a guest 'oh don't worry about the grunting and the stink, that's just the neighbour squeezing one out'

Would anyone be happy about that?

I would think that you have some kind of argument with regards to extraction as he wants it to be a kazi?

Is there any kind of case to argue that it cannot be a toilet?

No, really, honestly, I kid you not. The Planning system does not consider the proximity of a khazi to neighbouring boundary when determining applications. They just don't.

The environmental impact of odours from neighbouring development is a valid planning consideration, and if we were talking about the extract duct from the kitchen of a curry house they'd be valid concerns, but a single domestic toilet? As dickymint says: get a grip.

I'm beginning to believe that, what with this and "to completely destroy a 146 year old Victorian wall would be sacrilege in our eyes" this is really all a subtle wind-up on the OP's part.

I mean, FFS, its not the Taj Mahal... its a very ordinary section of brick wall, outside a very ordinary brick terrace in a very ordinary Northern village.

Perhaps the OP should seek to get the property listed, if it's really so precious...

[PositronicRay]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

dickymint said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

dickymint said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Equus said:

desolate said:

Would having a toilet on the boundary be a relevant factor in the decision?

Nope, not even slightly.

Really, a toilet next door to our front door behind a wooden structure. Greeting a guest 'oh don't worry about the grunting and the stink, that's just the neighbour squeezing one out'

Would anyone be happy about that?

What grunting and stink? Come on let’s be real about this - you won’t see it, you won’t smell it, it would hardly ever be used to pee in let alone shat in.Any guests to your house won’t have a clue what’s there unless you tell them

Get a grip.

This is quite a reasonable concern. This is not going to be a brick build, it will be a wooden structure without sound proofing. We hear every single thing he does in his wooden structured workshop, so it's completely logical that you would hear as much from this. No smells? well, IIRC BC require a vent for a bog. Where would this go then smartarse, on the front as an eyesore, or tucked away on the side, adjacent to our front door.

Everyone we have spoken to, intelligent rational people, who will happily correct me if I'm wrong, agree it is in poor taste.

It's a moot point though, he has made no further mention of it, instead mentioning coat and shoe storage in this area.

Smartarse here - try googling Durgo.

I’m out of this thread but like I said earlier it’s good to see you and your neighbour still able to talk to each other.

Fair enough, I'd not seen them before. I'm still satisfied it will not contain sound though, and for that reason we'd still be unhappy at it being proposed.

You could always record and upload to your local community website.

[PositronicRay]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

dickymint said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

dickymint said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Equus said:

desolate said:

Would having a toilet on the boundary be a relevant factor in the decision?

Nope, not even slightly.

Really, a toilet next door to our front door behind a wooden structure. Greeting a guest 'oh don't worry about the grunting and the stink, that's just the neighbour squeezing one out'

Would anyone be happy about that?

What grunting and stink? Come on let’s be real about this - you won’t see it, you won’t smell it, it would hardly ever be used to pee in let alone shat in.Any guests to your house won’t have a clue what’s there unless you tell them

Get a grip.

This is quite a reasonable concern. This is not going to be a brick build, it will be a wooden structure without sound proofing. We hear every single thing he does in his wooden structured workshop, so it's completely logical that you would hear as much from this. No smells? well, IIRC BC require a vent for a bog. Where would this go then smartarse, on the front as an eyesore, or tucked away on the side, adjacent to our front door.

Everyone we have spoken to, intelligent rational people, who will happily correct me if I'm wrong, agree it is in poor taste.

It's a moot point though, he has made no further mention of it, instead mentioning coat and shoe storage in this area.

Smartarse here - try googling Durgo.

I’m out of this thread but like I said earlier it’s good to see you and your neighbour still able to talk to each other.

Fair enough, I'd not seen them before. I'm still satisfied it will not contain sound though, and for that reason we'd still be unhappy at it being proposed.

You could always record and upload to your local community website.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Equus said:

DonkeyApple said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Equus said:

desolate said:

Would having a toilet on the boundary be a relevant factor in the decision?

Nope, not even slightly.

Really, a toilet next door to our front door behind a wooden structure. Greeting a guest 'oh don't worry about the grunting and the stink, that's just the neighbour squeezing one out'

Would anyone be happy about that?

I would think that you have some kind of argument with regards to extraction as he wants it to be a kazi?

Is there any kind of case to argue that it cannot be a toilet?

No, really, honestly, I kid you not. The Planning system does not consider the proximity of a khazi to neighbouring boundary when determining applications. They just don't.

The environmental impact of odours from neighbouring development is a valid planning consideration, and if we were talking about the extract duct from the kitchen of a curry house they'd be valid concerns, but a single domestic toilet? As dickymint says: get a grip.

I'm beginning to believe that, what with this and "to completely destroy a 146 year old Victorian wall would be sacrilege in our eyes" this is really all a subtle wind-up on the OP's part.

I mean, FFS, its not the Taj Mahal... its a very ordinary section of brick wall, outside a very ordinary brick terrace in a very ordinary Northern village.

Perhaps the OP should seek to get the property listed, if it's really so precious...

It may be a modest house, but we like to have sympathy to it's history. You see that front door of ours? it receives regular compliments, because it looks so good, which it wouldn't if we did what the rest of the village did and stuck in a white UPVC one with gaudy stained glass.

You see the fireplace, which I spent 80 hours working on, hacking off plaster, brick acid'ing, replacing damaged bricks and re-pointing? Again, regular compliments. The reclaimed Victorian bricks passageway replacing the tarmac path, the same. I could go on, but I wont bore you.

What I am getting at is that when you put all these elements, and more, together the sum of its parts can make the house right, impressive, I'm struggling for the word. Compare it to 4 years ago, pictured some pages back.

So no, a Victorian wall is not going to be destroyed to install a cheap B&Q wooden fence.

Also, to come on and call every part of our existence ordinary is poor form.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 5th May 16:24

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 5th May 16:26

[The Moose]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Equus said:

DonkeyApple said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Equus said:

desolate said:

Would having a toilet on the boundary be a relevant factor in the decision?

Nope, not even slightly.

Really, a toilet next door to our front door behind a wooden structure. Greeting a guest 'oh don't worry about the grunting and the stink, that's just the neighbour squeezing one out'

Would anyone be happy about that?

I would think that you have some kind of argument with regards to extraction as he wants it to be a kazi?

Is there any kind of case to argue that it cannot be a toilet?

No, really, honestly, I kid you not. The Planning system does not consider the proximity of a khazi to neighbouring boundary when determining applications. They just don't.

The environmental impact of odours from neighbouring development is a valid planning consideration, and if we were talking about the extract duct from the kitchen of a curry house they'd be valid concerns, but a single domestic toilet? As dickymint says: get a grip.

I'm beginning to believe that, what with this and "to completely destroy a 146 year old Victorian wall would be sacrilege in our eyes" this is really all a subtle wind-up on the OP's part.

I mean, FFS, its not the Taj Mahal... its a very ordinary section of brick wall, outside a very ordinary brick terrace in a very ordinary Northern village.

Perhaps the OP should seek to get the property listed, if it's really so precious...

It may be a modest house, but we like to have sympathy to it's history. You see that front door of ours? it receives regular compliments, because it looks so good, which it wouldn't if we did what the rest of the village did and stuck in a white UPVC one with gaudy stained glass.

You see the fireplace, which I spent 80 hours working on, hacking off plaster, brick acid'ing, replacing damaged bricks and re-pointing? Again, regular compliments. The reclaimed Victorian bricks passageway replacing the tarmac path, the same. I could go on, but I wont bore you.

What I am getting at is that when you put all these elements, and more, together the sum of its parts can make the house right, impressive, I'm struggling for the word. Compare it to 4 years ago, pictured some pages back.

So no, a Victorian wall is not going to be destroyed to install a cheap B&Q wooden fence.

Also, to come on and call every part of our existence ordinary is poor form.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 5th May 16:24

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 5th May 16:26

I don’t read him saying every part of your existence is ordinary...

I normally enjoy your contributions, but I have to say on this thread I think you are getting worked up over very little. I hate the phrase, but get a grip is about right!

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

The Moose said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Equus said:

DonkeyApple said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Equus said:

desolate said:

Would having a toilet on the boundary be a relevant factor in the decision?

Nope, not even slightly.

Really, a toilet next door to our front door behind a wooden structure. Greeting a guest 'oh don't worry about the grunting and the stink, that's just the neighbour squeezing one out'

Would anyone be happy about that?

I would think that you have some kind of argument with regards to extraction as he wants it to be a kazi?

Is there any kind of case to argue that it cannot be a toilet?

No, really, honestly, I kid you not. The Planning system does not consider the proximity of a khazi to neighbouring boundary when determining applications. They just don't.

The environmental impact of odours from neighbouring development is a valid planning consideration, and if we were talking about the extract duct from the kitchen of a curry house they'd be valid concerns, but a single domestic toilet? As dickymint says: get a grip.

I'm beginning to believe that, what with this and "to completely destroy a 146 year old Victorian wall would be sacrilege in our eyes" this is really all a subtle wind-up on the OP's part.

I mean, FFS, its not the Taj Mahal... its a very ordinary section of brick wall, outside a very ordinary brick terrace in a very ordinary Northern village.

Perhaps the OP should seek to get the property listed, if it's really so precious...

It may be a modest house, but we like to have sympathy to it's history. You see that front door of ours? it receives regular compliments, because it looks so good, which it wouldn't if we did what the rest of the village did and stuck in a white UPVC one with gaudy stained glass.

You see the fireplace, which I spent 80 hours working on, hacking off plaster, brick acid'ing, replacing damaged bricks and re-pointing? Again, regular compliments. The reclaimed Victorian bricks passageway replacing the tarmac path, the same. I could go on, but I wont bore you.

What I am getting at is that when you put all these elements, and more, together the sum of its parts can make the house right, impressive, I'm struggling for the word. Compare it to 4 years ago, pictured some pages back.

So no, a Victorian wall is not going to be destroyed to install a cheap B&Q wooden fence.

Also, to come on and call every part of our existence ordinary is poor form.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 5th May 16:24

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 5th May 16:26

I don’t read him saying every part of your existence is ordinary...

I normally enjoy your contributions, but I have to say on this thread I think you are getting worked up over very little. I hate the phrase, but get a grip is about right!

Maybe not directly, but saying 'a very ordinary section of brick wall, outside a very ordinary brick terrace in a very ordinary Northern village.' is rude in my eyes. We're not even in the North

I have been receiving a fair bit of stick over the last 9 pages, yet have kept my cool and manners when responding, but I will defend myself if something unjust or unkind is thrown my way.

[Equus]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Also, to come on and call every part of our existence ordinary is poor form.

Well, I'm sorry, but you came on here to ask advice about Planning. You even contacted me personally to ask for my input.

I'm simply telling it how its is: bluntly, in architectural and Planning terms, your property has no exceptional qualities or heritage status. It's not even a nicely detailed brick wall... it's as plain and basic as it is possible to build. If it retained original iron railings on top, or something, I would have some sympathy with your view, but as it stands it has no interest or merit whatsoever.

It is your own perspective that is slightly odd, not your neighbour's.

The only justification for a Planning refusal of their proposal that I can see is on the grounds of visual impact on the aesthetics of the terrace overall (in whatever form of words they choose to wrap that up), and given the damage that has already occurred to other elements of the terrace, and local precedent set by other porches on the same street, that would be quite a weak reason for refusal.

I'm afraid that like it or not, you simply have to get to grips with that.

[Elysium]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Maybe not directly, but saying 'a very ordinary section of brick wall, outside a very ordinary brick terrace in a very ordinary Northern village.' is rude in my eyes. We're not even in the North

I have been receiving a fair bit of stick over the last 9 pages, but have kept my cool and manners when responding, but I will defend myself if something unjust or unkind is thrown my way.

Equus has been trying to help you as I did some months ago.

Telling someone that their wall is ordinary is not 'rude'. He is just trying to bring some reality to the situation. You should listen to him.

[Monkeylegend]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

We'll worry about st if it ever happens, and not before.

Don't forget the toilet

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Equus said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Also, to come on and call every part of our existence ordinary is poor form.
[quote]
Well, I'm sorry, but you came on here to ask advice about Planning. You even contacted me personally to ask for my input.

I'm simply telling it how its is: bluntly, in architectural and Planning terms, your property has no exceptional qualities or heritage status. It's not even a nicely detailed brick wall... it's as plain and basic as it is possible to build. If it retained original iron railings on top, or something, I would have some sympathy with your view, but as it stands it has no interest whatsoever.

It is your own perspective that is slightly odd, not your neighbour's.

The only justification for a Planning refusal of their proposal that I can see is on the grounds of visual impact on the aesthetics of the terrace overall (in whatever form of words they choose to wrap that up), and given the damage that has already occurred to other elements of the terrace, and local precedent set by other porches on the same street, that would be quite a weak reason for refusal.

I'm afraid that like it or not, you simply have to get to grips with that.

I'm not saying it has exceptional qualities or heritage status. However, it is a 146 year old house, which we would like to keep as period as possible.

On the subject of the the next door facade being butchered. Our neighbour too agrees it's a mess, one driving factor behind wanting to cover it. I have stated the best soloution IMO would be to remove the redundant lintels, put in a regular door, brick this in with best brick match, and do the same with the poorly executed void door fill. He's not wanting to spend for that though.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Elysium said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Maybe not directly, but saying 'a very ordinary section of brick wall, outside a very ordinary brick terrace in a very ordinary Northern village.' is rude in my eyes. We're not even in the North

I have been receiving a fair bit of stick over the last 9 pages, but have kept my cool and manners when responding, but I will defend myself if something unjust or unkind is thrown my way.

Equus has been trying to help you as I did some months ago.

Telling someone that their wall is ordinary is not 'rude'. He is just trying to bring some reality to the situation. You should listen to him.

but when you extend that to say on a very ordinary road in a very ordinary village it seems like a put down. Maybe I'm being sensitive, maybe he meant ordinary in as much the same as most villages, IE not above the norm. Who knows.

[alfie2244]

Perhaps rustic may have been a better description.

[Rewe]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

but when you extend that to say on a very ordinary road in a very ordinary village it seems like a put down. Maybe I'm being sensitive, maybe he meant ordinary in as much the same as most villages, IE not above the norm. Who knows.

I don’t care much for your wall either but I love little terraces that are made pretty and you are slowly making your house really nice.

It is far more satisfying to plan and do the work with a partner you love, than than to buy somewhere ready done. I get why it means more than its sale price to you.

[Equus]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

I'm not saying it has exceptional qualities or heritage status. However, it is a 146 year old house, which we would like to keep as period as possible.

Then I recommend that you remove the electrics (all of them, but especially the satellite dish and TV aerial - I am reliably informed that Victorian satellite dishes were quite a bit bigger).

You'll also want to remove the bathroom, and revert to a tin bath in the kitchen (which should have no fitted kitchen units, incidentally) and a bog in a little brick hut at the bottom of the garden.

Remove the log burner and the parquet flooring, which are both dreadfully inauthentic. You'll need to replace all the doors and windows again, too, because you haven't got them period-correct.

Finally, you need to die of dysentery within the next couple of years and Sarah needs to contract tuberculosis, for that final authentic Victorian working class touch.

Hope that helps?

[Rewe]

Equus said:

Then I recommend that you remove the electrics (all of them, but especially the satellite dish and TV aerial - I am reliably informed that Victorian satellite dishes were quite a bit bigger).

You'll also want to remove the bathroom, and revert to a tin bath in the kitchen (which should have no fitted kitchen units, incidentally) and a bog in a little brick hut at the bottom of the garden.

Remove the log burner and the parquet flooring, which are both dreadfully inauthentic. You'll need to replace all the doors and windows again, too, because you haven't got them period-correct.

Finally, you need to die of dysentery within the next couple of years and Sarah needs to contract tuberculosis, for that final authentic Victorian working class touch.

Hope that helps?

That post is really quite mean.