Wonky old Georgian townhouse

[dhutch]

Ruddy love it!

As with so many of these threads, while some are posted (or read) retrospectively, the rate of progress seems astronomical compared to the rate we are progressing with out own project house.


Daniel

[menguin]

Amazing potential! Watching with interest.

[rlw]

We have a slightly less grand version of that in York. We're in the middle of a short terrace where the ends have been removed so all the houses are a little bit leany one way or another. With the doors, you have to decide which is to be parallel to the frame - the top and bottom or the sides - as all four is not an option.

We're just about to embark on a major refurb to so I shall watch this with interest.

[Goldenballs92]

seiben said:

2019-07-01_04-41-12 by Ben Edwards, on Flickr

Those windows look absolutely banging. Are they single glazed and did you put in any sort of draught excluder when re-furbing? I've got an edwardian property with original sash's that need some work, and I'm trying to work out the best sliding seal draught excluding set up

[So]

Goldenballs92 said:

seiben said:

2019-07-01_04-41-12 by Ben Edwards, on Flickr

Those windows look absolutely banging. Are they single glazed and did you put in any sort of draught excluder when re-furbing? I've got an edwardian property with original sash's that need some work, and I'm trying to work out the best sliding seal draught excluding set up

The building would probably have had all the windows the same as the top row, originally. The lower ones are a Victorian design.

[21st Century Man]

Rather Grand and wonky is good. I've been around to Ace-T's pile a few times, similar amount of work required. Thanks for posting and sharing.

How much did a refurb on a sash cost? We've got a few to do on our 1790 mill workers cottage and we've not looked into costs yet.

And are you going to remap the Stannah?

Edited by 21st Century Man on Wednesday 3rd July 20:36

[rlw]

21st Century Man said:

Rather Grand and wonky is good. I've been around to Ace-T's pile a few times, similar amount of work required. Thanks for posting and sharing.

How much did a refurb on a sash cost? We've got a few to do on our 1790 mill workers cottage and we've not looked into costs yet.

And are you going to remap the Stannah?

Edited by 21st Century Man on Wednesday 3rd July 20:36

We used a company called ERW in Middlesborough who provided new double glazed sashes which fitted in the original boxes. It costs about £16k for 6 windows.

[21st Century Man]

rlw said:

It costs about £16k for 6 windows.

Thanks...


...and ouch!

[seiben]

Thanks again all for the comments. Sometimes it feels like we're not progressing at all, so it's good to read back and see what's chamged in a relatively short amount of time!

rlw said:

21st Century Man said:

Rather Grand and wonky is good. I've been around to Ace-T's pile a few times, similar amount of work required. Thanks for posting and sharing.

How much did a refurb on a sash cost? We've got a few to do on our 1790 mill workers cottage and we've not looked into costs yet.

And are you going to remap the Stannah?

Edited by 21st Century Man on Wednesday 3rd July 20:36

We used a company called ERW in Middlesborough who provided new double glazed sashes which fitted in the original boxes. It costs about £16k for 6 windows.

We looked (briefly!) at double-glazed units, but they're a big no-no for South Oxon on a listed building (plus the cost of replacing 20 of them would be astronomical). Conversely we're paying around £6k for refurbishment of existing sashes, which includes replacing any rotten wood in the casements, frames or sills, sanding back years of paint and leaving in primer in preparation for paint. Also new sash cords all round, re-balancing as required, and draft-proofing. I'll get some close-ups of this as it's remarkably effective in reducing both drafts and rattles.

Plus we get to keep all of the lovely old wavy glass, which I like

Stannah was removed before we moved in, sadly - some of those photos are from the viewings!

[seiben]

So said:

Goldenballs92 said:

seiben said:

2019-07-01_04-41-12 by Ben Edwards, on Flickr

Those windows look absolutely banging. Are they single glazed and did you put in any sort of draught excluder when re-furbing? I've got an edwardian property with original sash's that need some work, and I'm trying to work out the best sliding seal draught excluding set up

The building would probably have had all the windows the same as the top row, originally. The lower ones are a Victorian design.

The brick bay window on the right is a Victorian addition, so it looks like the ground- and first-floor windows were replaced at the time. The top floor are a fair bit newer, judging by the glass and the fact they're made from softwood. The Victorian hardwood units have fared much better after however many years of neglect.

rlw said:

We have a slightly less grand version of that in York. We're in the middle of a short terrace where the ends have been removed so all the houses are a little bit leany one way or another. With the doors, you have to decide which is to be parallel to the frame - the top and bottom or the sides - as all four is not an option.

We're just about to embark on a major refurb to so I shall watch this with interest.

I'm with you on the doors! Fortunately the lean happened such a long time ago they've all been trimmed to fit in any which way necessary

[So]

seiben said:

So said:

Goldenballs92 said:

seiben said:

2019-07-01_04-41-12 by Ben Edwards, on Flickr

Those windows look absolutely banging. Are they single glazed and did you put in any sort of draught excluder when re-furbing? I've got an edwardian property with original sash's that need some work, and I'm trying to work out the best sliding seal draught excluding set up

The building would probably have had all the windows the same as the top row, originally. The lower ones are a Victorian design.

The brick bay window on the right is a Victorian addition, so it looks like the ground- and first-floor windows were replaced at the time. The top floor are a fair bit newer, judging by the glass and the fact they're made from softwood. The Victorian hardwood units have fared much better after however many years of neglect.

Probably right and it doesn't look wrong. In fact had it all been 6/6 Georgian it would have looked very busy - a bit like a mill.

[h0b0]

I like it with all original windows.

edited to add, I like it a lot how you have it as well. Just thought I would see how it looked. I will admit I grew up in a Northern mill village where every house had a crap load of windows to let the light in so they could work on the cloth

Edited by h0b0 on Thursday 4th July 21:23

[Uggers]

Looks great all Georgian windows

You might find due to the peculiarities of building listing that you'd be unable to go back to all Georgian windows anyway. Probably quite expensive too!

Our place had an awful single pane of glass where a 12 pane Georgian sash window originally was.

It was there when it was listed in 1984, technically according to the rules it had to stay. It didn't

[anonymous-user]

Is that behind the theatre in Wallingford? I never realised how much land those houses have.
Lovely house - bookmarked!

[seiben]

h0b0 said:

I like it with all original windows.

edited to add, I like it a lot how you have it as well. Just thought I would see how it looked. I will admit I grew up in a Northern mill village where every house had a crap load of windows to let the light in so they could work on the cloth

Edited by h0b0 on Thursday 4th July 21:23

Huh, that looks a lot better than I would have expected. Glad I don't have to paint around even more window panes though

[dhutch]

Loving the photoshop work!

Interesting if also not practical to change. Sadly we have lost a lot of out Edwardian windows to various varieties of uPVC, much of it now 30 and knackered. We have retained enough of them you could reverse engineer copies for the missing ones and at some point we may do some of that, costs allowing!

One of the houses we looked at was grade2 and also had some uPVC including the stair roof light. Owner was quite honest about the fact he hadn't asked and neither had any of the neighbors with similar houses. Apparently no issues to date ... Sigh.


Daniel

[Goldenballs92]

seiben said:

I'll get some close-ups of this as it's remarkably effective in reducing both drafts and rattles.

If you could, that would be great! Do you also have any comments on the sound reduction with the draught excluders? I know single glazing isn’t exactly the DBs when it comes to sound insulation, but am interested in the results.

[So]

h0b0 said:

I like it with all original windows.

Edited by h0b0 on Thursday 4th July 21:23

They wouldn't have been crooked originally.

[h0b0]

So said:

They wouldn't have been crooked originally.

Erm....... I copied the top middle window and pasted. I was too lazy to straighten the original crooked windows.

[8-P]

Great looking place and garden. I’m pretty sure you will stuff a fair wedge of cash into making it really good but it’ll be worth it. Stay on top of that garden too, it’s a rare thing to have.