Why shower flow rate lower than bath?

Why shower flow rate lower than bath?

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kryten22uk

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233 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Just moved into a new house, and it has a Grants V90 combi boiler. The mains water flow rate aint fantastic but its workable. In the downstairs bathroom, I have a separate walkin shower and bath. In the bath, the cold water tap takes 10 seconds to fill a 3litre jug, hence 18 litre/min flow rate, and for the hot water, the flow rate reduces such that it takes 15secs to fill the jug (12 litre/min). It is expected for hot water to flow slower than cold, as presumably its the ability of the boiler to pass the heat quick enough.

However, in the shower, which is right next to the bath, it takes 23secs to fill the 3L jug, hence only 8 litre/min flow rate. Why is the rate so much slower via the shower? I'd have thought they' be feeding off the same pipework as the bath?

Simpo Two

85,829 posts

267 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Lots of little holes?

kryten22uk

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Friday 17th January 2014
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Simpo Two said:
Lots of little holes?
Not sure what you mean? I removed the shower head to make the flow rate measurement easier rather than it spraying all over, so in effect the shower was operating like a bath tap.

Busterbulldog

670 posts

133 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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remove the flow restrictors

igiveup

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284 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Would the internal diametre for the Shower pipe be smaller (10mm'ish) to the bath Tap's 15mm be a factor?

kryten22uk

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Friday 17th January 2014
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Busterbulldog said:
remove the flow restrictors
Ah. Is that something that people install to save water? Where are they installed, and why would they be put only on the shower and not the bath?

ETA - a quick 60sec google on flow restrictors suggests that they are in the shower head, but I removed the shower head to perform the test.

Edited by kryten22uk on Friday 17th January 22:30

barryrs

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225 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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It's a building regs requirement these days.

The developer has to provide water usage calcs demonstrating a max 125 litres per person per day IIRC.

A bath will use the same amount of water regardless of the flow rate whereas showers are restricted to around 7 litres a minute.

kryten22uk

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Friday 17th January 2014
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barryrs said:
It's a building regs requirement these days.

The developer has to provide water usage calcs demonstrating a max 125 litres per person per day IIRC.

A bath will use the same amount of water regardless of the flow rate whereas showers are restricted to around 7 litres a minute.
So how do they achieve the restricted flow, and how do I undo it?
BTW this isnt a new house, but I presume that the plumber who did the bathroom (relatively recently) just applied new regs anyway.

igiveup

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284 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Do you not just unscrew the shower head and remove it?

http://www.showerstore.com/support/water-pressure....

Simpo Two

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Friday 17th January 2014
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kryten22uk said:
Simpo Two said:
Lots of little holes?
Not sure what you mean? I removed the shower head...
You failed to mention that.

Anyway, the whole point of a shower is that it uses less water. The only way it could deliver water faster is to punch holes in you.

Captain Ahab

184 posts

236 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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Has it got a thermostatic control on it? This usually reduces the flow rate a little.

Griff Boy

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233 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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It's a combination of losses from the valve, bends, pipe diameters, shower heads, restrictions etc

I recently did some research into a grove digital shower mixer for a customer, and they have advised that a 2 bar pressure to the valve will result in approx 12.2litres p/m from a 310mm ceiling rose, but approx 20lktres per minute at the valve.

Also the diameter of the pipe is important, 22mm pipes allow something like 4 times more flow than a 15mm pipe!

In my experience the BEST shower on the market to give you the best possible shower is a Mira excel, it's amazing how much variation you get from exactly the same supply with an array of different showers!

silversurfer1

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138 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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The bath is probably piped in 22mm the shower in 15mm and the thermostatic mixer will also be causing resistance especially if the pressure is not that good

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Hoover.

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244 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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and I think also hydrostatic head of water enters in the equation somewhere..... with the shower head being higher then the bath, giving the bath a higher head of water nerd

kryten22uk

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233 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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My mixer valve is made by Inta. It wasnt shown on their website so I guess its discontinued. Its a chunky exposed barrel type. Looks like I might be best replacing it then as it seems to be throttling the water flow excessively.

s3fella

10,524 posts

189 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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Will the extra 'head' required to pump the water up to, what' a meter plus above the bath tap make a difference? Or is it gravity fed from loft?

dazwalsh

6,098 posts

143 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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check for any isolating valves leading to shower, I think these reduce the flow somewhat, and fit a compression socket instead.

worth a try, I have same problem and there is an isolating valve for the shower feed sowill be removing that to see if any difference. both taps and shower for me are fed in 15mm

Gingerbread Man

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215 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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Bath piped in 22mm pipe, shower 15mm typically.

Bath taps are quite free flowing.
Shower valves, thermostatic, will be quite restrictive.

What is the max hot water flow rate of the combi??

Restrictions on the shower feed pipes? Non full bore isolators inline.

Flow restrictors supplied with the shower valve. Typically located either where the shower feeds enter the unit, or where the hose attaches to the shower valve. Often fitted by standard. So maybe not removed.

kryten22uk

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Saturday 18th January 2014
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The shower mixer is an exposed unit but all the pipe worke is in the wall and then probably under the tiled floor, so cant access it to see what size pipe or whether any restrictors/valves. The mixer unit feeds the shower rose by a fixed/rigid pipe rather than a hose, so cant really undo that to look if there is anything immediately in the mixer outlet.