Planning applications

[Howitzer]

Hi all,

We have seen a plot which looks great, it's in our budget and is in a lovely location etc. The only issue is of one of planning.

It has outline planning for a 3 bed detatched bungalow after the demolition of the old bunbgalow currently on site.

We wish to build at least a 1.5 storey house, it is within the village boundaries and there are some 2 storey houses close by.

It's in Tydd St Jiles in Wisbech.

I understand that it is like asking how long a piece of string is but any opinion or personal experience will be much appreciated.

We really don't want to live in a Bungalow.

Dave!

[Busamav]

The only advice worth listening to is from the planners.

Go to the planning office ,look at the history and hopefully speak to a case officer .

[Steve_W]

How detailed is the OPP (yeah, I know that sounds like a contradiction!)

If the roof space (heights/widths/contstruction) is detailed at all can you work out if there's space for rooms in the roof with the ridge height as is?

[Sam_68]

There are likely to be two issues of sensitivity in Planning terms if you want to change the proposal from single storey to 1.5 storey: one is ridge height, the other is overlooking of neighbouring properties.

As Busamav says, the only person likely to be able to give you worthwhile advice on how sensitive these issues are would be the Planning Officer who dealt with the original outline application.

Do bear in mind that how the detail application is dealt with may depend on the exact wording of the Outline approval:

• If the Outline is for construction of a single dwelling, with one of the conditions being that the dwelling is single storey, then you would need a Reserved Matters application in conjunction with an application to vary/remove the Condition.

• If, on the other hand, the Outline Approval is for construction of a bungalow (ie. implicitly a single storey dwelling), you are likely to need completely fresh 'Full' application (ie. back to square one), rather than a 'Reserved Matters', as you can't submit a Reserved Matters application for development that varies fundamentally from the work described on the Outline.

...It probably won't make much difference to the outcome in practice, but it's something else you need to discuss with the Planning Offcier to make sure you take the correct approach procedurally.

[Howitzer]

Cheers guys, very much appreciatred.

The old Bungalow is a very small shack structure, low roof and it looks very much like a temporary structure.

To the planning office we go!

Dave!

[homeimprovements]

Is that the one on the left hand side as you come out of tydd. If I remember correctly its been for sale for a fair amount of time.

[monthefish]

Sam_68 said:

There are likely to be two issues of sensitivity in Planning terms if you want to change the proposal from single storey to 1.5 storey: one is ridge height, the other is overlooking of neighbouring properties.

The ridge height wouldn't necesarrily change between a bungalow and a 1.5 storey, but the 'overlooking' point is valid.

[Sam_68]

Sam_68 said:

monthefish said:

The ridge height wouldn't necesarrily change between a bungalow and a 1.5 storey.

Neither would the overlooking, necessarily, but they are both valid considerations which may need to be addressed by the detail design.

[andye30m3]

I'd have a look at the planning history for the site and speak to the planners

If someone has gone to the effort and expense of applying for a 1.5 story bungalow it's quite likely they tried for a 2 story house first and where refused making the bungalow a compromise with the planners

[monthefish]

Sam_68 said:

monthefish said:

The ridge height wouldn't necesarrily change between a bungalow and a 1.5 storey.

Neither would the overlooking, necessarily, but they are both valid considerations which may need to be addressed by the detail design.

Ridge height is unlikely to change.
Overlooking is likely to change.



Or to put it another way, if I was the OP and wanted a 1.5 storey but the outline was for single storey, purely from a ridge height point of view, I would be very confident indeed about getting approval for 1.5 storey.

I wouldn't have the same confidence if the planners concerns were from an overlooking point of view.

[BIGDAI]

Last week I finally got PP to convert a 3 bed bungalow into a 4 bed dormer - it's taken 3 years, 4 applications, 2 appeals and a shed load of money. The last application was supported by the planner but he was over-ruled by the Head of Planning - I could probably bring the PH servers down if I put all the stories on here but drop me a PM with contact details if you want chapter & verse.

[Sam_68]

monthefish said:

Ridge height is unlikely to change.

I wouldn't say that at all.

[Tuna]

BIGDAI said:

Last week I finally got PP to convert a 3 bed bungalow into a 4 bed dormer - it's taken 3 years, 4 applications, 2 appeals and a shed load of money. The last application was supported by the planner but he was over-ruled by the Head of Planning - I could probably bring the PH servers down if I put all the stories on here but drop me a PM with contact details if you want chapter & verse.

Been there, done that.

If you want to experience what Stalinist Russia must have been like, apply for planning permission.

[d8evo]

If you want to experience what Stalinist Russia must have been like, apply for planning permission.

The planning sytem is the triumph of blind ignorance and bigotry over informed democratic decision making. At least there was only one Stalin in Russia, there is at least one in every committee, subcommittee, Quango, Govt department involved in Planning. It has reached crisis proportions. The only reason it has not collapsed is because of the recession.