Lab pup not well, I dont think it looks good.
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ED209 said:
3 days on and i still cannot believe how much i am missing the little charcter that Lucy was. I am absolutely devastated.
I am a grown man and I have been in tears most of the last three days. I honestly would give anything to get her back.
I am a grown man and I have been in tears most of the last three days. I honestly would give anything to get her back.
. You have had a huge shock, she was supposed to be in your life for many years ahead but tragically it wasn't to be, it'll take time to accept she is no longer around. I truly am sorry for your loss, take care.ED209 said:
3 days on and i still cannot believe how much i am missing the little charcter that Lucy was. I am absolutely devastated.
I am a grown man and I have been in tears most of the last three days. I honestly would give anything to get her back.
It will take time for you to get over this. Perfectly normal.I am a grown man and I have been in tears most of the last three days. I honestly would give anything to get her back.
If she had a birth defect it is likely that she would have died anyway. Take comfort that you made her short time here so huge that she impacted your life in this way.
I once rescued a dog that died within 10 days of parvovirus virus. I was devastated but focussed on the fact that she died in a loving family home surrounded by people who cared for her, not in the pound where we got her.
If this was her fate, then at least it was with you who gave her so much in her short life.
I once rescued a dog that died within 10 days of parvovirus virus. I was devastated but focussed on the fact that she died in a loving family home surrounded by people who cared for her, not in the pound where we got her.
If this was her fate, then at least it was with you who gave her so much in her short life.
Spiffing said:
So sorry to read this. There was nothing you could do and she had a fantastic home for her much to short life, as little comfort that gives you at the moment.
Have you let the breeder know?
Yes we let them know straight away. The breeder works with the mrs and i know both her and her partner, she is gutted. They are not pro breeders just a couple who decided to have a litter of pups. We had been to their house a few times and she used to send lucy gifts even after we took her.Have you let the breeder know?
Its probably a bit insensitive at this time but I i was the breeder I would be offering us our money back as it is obvious now that poor little lucy was in the initial stages of illness when we picked her up. I dont think for one minute they knew this though but it would seem to me a reasonable thing to do.
We wont ask them to do this though as we dont want to create an atmosphere or cause an argument. To be honest its £400 and I would give 10,20, or 30 times that now if we could have Lucy back healthy.
The Mrs is as gutted as me but she is already talking about looking for another Lab pup. I understand why as we got Lucy as company for our other Lab Oscar and to not get another would defeat the object of getting Lucy in the first place. Whilst I am not 100% against this It upsets me as Lucy got right under my skin in the short time I knew her, getting another pup so soon would seem like buying a new TV to replace a broken one and dismising the memory of Lucy.To be she wasnt something that can be replaced like a broken item but a part of the family who made everyone who met her smile.
Maybe the breeder that works with your wife will mention that when they have another litter of pups you might get the offer of another pup, if they are propper breeders this probably wont be for another year to 18 months which will give you time, we had 2 litters from our working cocker spaniel and were told that you have a litter then miss a season then can breed again, not have the dog covered every season, that is not giving the poor girl time, Jazz lived to be 15 years but we lost her last year and it still hurts now, she was such a wonderful girl and brilliant mother, love you Jazziwaz.
ED209.........Trully gutted for you & yours - plenty of kind words already said so will skip to friendly heartfelt advice.
We have a black lab boy KC reg (working line pedigree).
Whilst there may be a temptation to go for another pup from same breeder perhaps consider getting next pup (if & when time is right), from a breeder who has documented and acceptable health tests results for both parents. This won't give 100% future health guarantee but might go some way to reducing risks &/or offsetting future worries.Our breeder provided health certificates for Hips, elbows, eye tests, GPRA & CNM. We also had own recent tests done for blood clotting ability, key organ function & blood cell count. These were for pre op ( castration) & thus not done until 14 months old. Please do not take my ramblings as anything other than friendly words. I have also been a bit paranoid re what we feed & mindful of over excercising when young.
Cost wise we paid £550 for our health tested Lab & I think the other test we had done were £90. I mention this only for reference as I have seen your comments re how much you would pay to have dear Lucy with you again...So sad.
Please note that if our Lab had same condition as Lucy at 4 months we may well have been none the wiser until quite possibly in same situation as yourselves.
Nobody can guarantee 100% health but you might be able to reduce future concerns a little if as & when you are consider another pup.
Thats enough from me - I had mixed feelings re the above advice so soon after your loss but felt it important to offer same as quite often owners faced with loss find themselves considering another dog quite soon therafter whether self initiated or introduced by another family member with kind hearted, (but not always best researched), share in your interests.
Once again sorry to hear of your loss.
We have a black lab boy KC reg (working line pedigree).
Whilst there may be a temptation to go for another pup from same breeder perhaps consider getting next pup (if & when time is right), from a breeder who has documented and acceptable health tests results for both parents. This won't give 100% future health guarantee but might go some way to reducing risks &/or offsetting future worries.Our breeder provided health certificates for Hips, elbows, eye tests, GPRA & CNM. We also had own recent tests done for blood clotting ability, key organ function & blood cell count. These were for pre op ( castration) & thus not done until 14 months old. Please do not take my ramblings as anything other than friendly words. I have also been a bit paranoid re what we feed & mindful of over excercising when young.
Cost wise we paid £550 for our health tested Lab & I think the other test we had done were £90. I mention this only for reference as I have seen your comments re how much you would pay to have dear Lucy with you again...So sad.
Please note that if our Lab had same condition as Lucy at 4 months we may well have been none the wiser until quite possibly in same situation as yourselves.
Nobody can guarantee 100% health but you might be able to reduce future concerns a little if as & when you are consider another pup.
Thats enough from me - I had mixed feelings re the above advice so soon after your loss but felt it important to offer same as quite often owners faced with loss find themselves considering another dog quite soon therafter whether self initiated or introduced by another family member with kind hearted, (but not always best researched), share in your interests.
Once again sorry to hear of your loss.
Edited by AW8 on Saturday 16th February 19:51
AW8 said:
ED209.........Trully gutted for you & yours - plenty of kind words already said so will skip to friendly heartfelt advice.
We have a black lab boy KC reg (working line pedigree).
Whilst there may be a temptation to go for another pup from same breeder perhaps consider getting next pup (if & when time is right), from a breeder who has documented and acceptable health tests results for both parents. This won't give 100% future health guarantee but might go some way to reducing risks &/or offsetting future worries.Our breeder provided health certificates for Hips, elbows, eye tests, GPRA & CNM. We also had own recent tests done for blood clotting ability, key organ function & blood cell count. These were for pre op ( castration) & thus not done until 14 months old. Please do not take my ramblings as anything other than friendly words. I have also been a bit paranoid re what we feed & mindful of over excercising when young.
Cost wise we paid £550 for our health tested Lab & I think the other test we had done were £90. I mention this only for reference as I have seen your comments re how much you would pay to have dear Lucy with you again...So sad.
Please note that if our Lab had same condition as Lucy at 4 months we may well have been none the wiser until quite possibly in same situation as yourselves.
Nobody can guarantee 100% health but you might be able to reduce future concerns a little if as & when you are consider another pup.
Thats enough from me - I had mixed feelings re the above advice so soon after your loss but felt it important to offer same as quite often owners faced with loss find themselves considering another dog quite soon therafter whether self initiated or introduced by another family member with kind hearted, (but not always best researched), share in your interests.
Once again sorry to hear of your loss.
Cheers, theres no temptation at all to go with the same breeder. To be honest it was just someone we know (and trusted) who happened to be having pups at the right time. I genuinely believe they had no idea that Lucy was or may have been ill, its just one of those things.We have a black lab boy KC reg (working line pedigree).
Whilst there may be a temptation to go for another pup from same breeder perhaps consider getting next pup (if & when time is right), from a breeder who has documented and acceptable health tests results for both parents. This won't give 100% future health guarantee but might go some way to reducing risks &/or offsetting future worries.Our breeder provided health certificates for Hips, elbows, eye tests, GPRA & CNM. We also had own recent tests done for blood clotting ability, key organ function & blood cell count. These were for pre op ( castration) & thus not done until 14 months old. Please do not take my ramblings as anything other than friendly words. I have also been a bit paranoid re what we feed & mindful of over excercising when young.
Cost wise we paid £550 for our health tested Lab & I think the other test we had done were £90. I mention this only for reference as I have seen your comments re how much you would pay to have dear Lucy with you again...So sad.
Please note that if our Lab had same condition as Lucy at 4 months we may well have been none the wiser until quite possibly in same situation as yourselves.
Nobody can guarantee 100% health but you might be able to reduce future concerns a little if as & when you are consider another pup.
Thats enough from me - I had mixed feelings re the above advice so soon after your loss but felt it important to offer same as quite often owners faced with loss find themselves considering another dog quite soon therafter whether self initiated or introduced by another family member with kind hearted, (but not always best researched), share in your interests.
Once again sorry to hear of your loss.
Edited by AW8 on Saturday 16th February 19:51
Our other lab came from a gamekeeper as where we live we know quite a few people involved in shooting. To be honest we didnt do any research at all with regards to pedigree history as we have always thought our dogs are pets and nothing else.
To be honest this worked fine with Oscar who I can honestly say is the fittest lab i have seen. He is small for a lab which is what we wanted and apart from cuts and scrapes has only been ill once in his 3 1/2 years. This was last Novemberish when he had some kind of kennel cough type illness which even the vet wasnt sure about. He was really ill vomiting and coughing for a few days and ended up on a drip for an afternoon however after some antibiotics he was fine after a few days.
The woman has already been enquiring with local keepers about any litters forthcoming but none are on the cards. There is however a KC approved breeder in our town with a litter ready 22nd march listed on the KC site. I suspect her indoors with raise the issue of having a look in the next week. I wont stop her if thats what she wants but it does seem to soon though i wouldnt be suprised if m thoughts had changed by 22nd March.
I suppose I am like a spoilt child really, all i want is our little Lucy back at any cost, even though I know this is impossible.
ED209 said:
Yes we let them know straight away. The breeder works with the mrs and i know both her and her partner, she is gutted. They are not pro breeders just a couple who decided to have a litter of pups. We had been to their house a few times and she used to send lucy gifts even after we took her.
The main reason to let them know is they should record this information and notify all other puppy purchasers. They also should investigate and decide whether or not to breed from the same parents again.Any pup you consider in future ask the breeder about the health issues of the parents and grandparents too.
Sadly no matter how much research and care is put in to breeding a litter, nature can still get involved and things go wrong. She may have just been th eoutcome of really bad luck.
But no matter what, you did what you could for her and that is all she could have asked of you.
Jasandjules said:
The main reason to let them know is they should record this information and notify all other puppy purchasers. They also should investigate and decide whether or not to breed from the same parents again.
Any pup you consider in future ask the breeder about the health issues of the parents and grandparents too.
Sadly no matter how much research and care is put in to breeding a litter, nature can still get involved and things go wrong. She may have just been th eoutcome of really bad luck.
But no matter what, you did what you could for her and that is all she could have asked of you.
Thats why we told them, told them they had to tell everyone else so they could get tests done if they wished. Hopefully this would prevent anything similar happening to the other pups.Any pup you consider in future ask the breeder about the health issues of the parents and grandparents too.
Sadly no matter how much research and care is put in to breeding a litter, nature can still get involved and things go wrong. She may have just been th eoutcome of really bad luck.
But no matter what, you did what you could for her and that is all she could have asked of you.
We've always ahd a dog in the family, for at least the past 30 years, lost three over the years, they were all mature dod's and we were devistated. I cannot imagine what it must be like to lose a puppy, you enjoy the few months believing you're watching the beginning of the little ones future only to have it cut short. Sorry to hear of your loss. Cliff and Buddy (8 year old cuddly, lazy black lab.
ED209 - Have seen your reply to my post. Further re health tests on Labs. The KC only requires certificates each parents hips & eyes. Just because a lab litter is KC reg doesn't mean the parents have had other tests done. The KC site lists some (not all) of other tests I mentioned as well as a new one for EIC.......( see link 1)
Link to the KC info re tests here http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/...
Another link from a non KC site http://www.lab-health.co.uk/tests.html.
Tbh I got a bit obsessed when checking for health test paperwork & as you know there are there are healthy dogs from untested parents.
Fwiw I like lean working lineage in Labs - mine also has an "off switch" for chill time.
Whatever you decide on you have the info now if so required later.
Leaving this now as you are understandably still grieving.
All the best
RIP Lucy
Link to the KC info re tests here http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/...
Another link from a non KC site http://www.lab-health.co.uk/tests.html.
Tbh I got a bit obsessed when checking for health test paperwork & as you know there are there are healthy dogs from untested parents.
Fwiw I like lean working lineage in Labs - mine also has an "off switch" for chill time.
Whatever you decide on you have the info now if so required later.
Leaving this now as you are understandably still grieving.
All the best
RIP Lucy
Edited by AW8 on Saturday 16th February 21:21
Sorry for your loss, 3 years ago i lost a 3 month old lab to Parvo, spared no expense to try and save her but little Pippa died a week later, didnt care less about being a grown man just cried my eyes out like a little girl, was gutted for weeks after.
Now 3 years later i have Tilly who's 1 1/2 now and is like a daughter to me i love her to bits, time is the only healer but once you feel ready get another you'll feel much better.
jaymz
Now 3 years later i have Tilly who's 1 1/2 now and is like a daughter to me i love her to bits, time is the only healer but once you feel ready get another you'll feel much better.
jaymz
This is just so sad. There should be absolutely no guilt attached to what has happened or concerns over 'dirty puddles'. This will have been a condition that your dog was born with, or acquired whilst very young. It is very likely that she coped with significantly reduced kidney function for some time but the problem with kidneys is that when they get beyond a certain point the progression of the disease becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. With certainty there is nothing that you could have done to change this outcome, regardless of how soon it was picked up.
It is impossible to 'replace' Lucy, but there will be another dog, sometime, who fits the dog shaped hole in your life...
It is impossible to 'replace' Lucy, but there will be another dog, sometime, who fits the dog shaped hole in your life...
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