Price of puppies
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Tyre Smoke said:
Anyone who pays thousands for a mongrel has more money than sense.
And that is why there will be thousands of abandoned dogs when the Govt funded holiday comes to an end and people either go back to work or find they are out of work.
By all means value your 'Goldendoodle' at £3k and let someone pay that. That's market forces. We all know that isn't what the dog should be valued at.
Can I ask what should a dog be valued at? Who determines these values? What are the rules we should follow? And that is why there will be thousands of abandoned dogs when the Govt funded holiday comes to an end and people either go back to work or find they are out of work.
By all means value your 'Goldendoodle' at £3k and let someone pay that. That's market forces. We all know that isn't what the dog should be valued at.
On a side note do you have a dog, what breed and how much did you pay?
Tyre Smoke said:
Anyone who pays thousands for a mongrel has more money than sense.
And that is why there will be thousands of abandoned dogs when the Govt funded holiday comes to an end and people either go back to work or find they are out of work.
By all means value your 'Goldendoodle' at £3k and let someone pay that. That's market forces. We all know that isn't what the dog should be valued at.
It is surprising that you’re so willing to contribute to this thread when you are so ignorant about dogs. And economics. And that is why there will be thousands of abandoned dogs when the Govt funded holiday comes to an end and people either go back to work or find they are out of work.
By all means value your 'Goldendoodle' at £3k and let someone pay that. That's market forces. We all know that isn't what the dog should be valued at.
What I do find rather sad is that at the moment, many genuine dog-lovers who could provide a wonderful home for a dog have effectively been priced out of the market ... not everyone can afford £1000+ for a dog ... a local search shows that's how much people are asking for a Collie/Jack Russell cross.
Rh14n said:
What I do find rather sad is that at the moment, many genuine dog-lovers who could provide a wonderful home for a dog have effectively been priced out of the market ... not everyone can afford £1000+ for a dog ... a local search shows that's how much people are asking for a Collie/Jack Russell cross.
Yep. My partner and I adore dogs, are both home based, surrounded by countryside and have dog owning family up the street who could assist.We can't/won't pay £3,500 for a dog, no matter how much we would love to give one a home.
The adoption route is tricky, they don't seem to entertain first time owners on applications, and dogs we could manage tend to go quickly.
TVR_Steve said:
Rh14n said:
What I do find rather sad is that at the moment, many genuine dog-lovers who could provide a wonderful home for a dog have effectively been priced out of the market ... not everyone can afford £1000+ for a dog ... a local search shows that's how much people are asking for a Collie/Jack Russell cross.
Yep. My partner and I adore dogs, are both home based, surrounded by countryside and have dog owning family up the street who could assist.We can't/won't pay £3,500 for a dog, no matter how much we would love to give one a home.
The adoption route is tricky, they don't seem to entertain first time owners on applications, and dogs we could manage tend to go quickly.
One of the problems with pricing of puppies currently, is that when someone has paid £1500, £2000, £3000 or whatever for their pup and things at home go South for whatever reason that then means it needs rehoming, people invariably then gumtree or Facebook the dog for sale to try to recoup some of their initial investment. Therein lies some potentially massive issues for the welfare of the dog going forward.
The correct approach is to act selflessly in the best interests of the dog and, unless you know the person well to whom you may be offloading the dog, pass the dog to a reputable rehoming centre/rescue centre. They will then carry out the suitability checks on future potential owners. You will be out of pocket, but I’m afraid that is a life. The dog’s life is more important than money.
As for rescue availability, it does require some legwork and patience. You do need to register with them, get home checked and then ideally visit them (where it is allowed under current guidelines), so they get to know you and you their dogs looking for homes. Many centres will caveat no young children, sometimes to cover their own arses to be honest, where the dog may well be totally fine.
It helps to know a bit about the background of the dog and to engage with the rescues, rather than sit back and wait to be contacted.
The correct approach is to act selflessly in the best interests of the dog and, unless you know the person well to whom you may be offloading the dog, pass the dog to a reputable rehoming centre/rescue centre. They will then carry out the suitability checks on future potential owners. You will be out of pocket, but I’m afraid that is a life. The dog’s life is more important than money.
As for rescue availability, it does require some legwork and patience. You do need to register with them, get home checked and then ideally visit them (where it is allowed under current guidelines), so they get to know you and you their dogs looking for homes. Many centres will caveat no young children, sometimes to cover their own arses to be honest, where the dog may well be totally fine.
It helps to know a bit about the background of the dog and to engage with the rescues, rather than sit back and wait to be contacted.
Superleg48 said:
One of the problems with pricing of puppies currently, is that when someone has paid £1500, £2000, £3000 or whatever for their pup and things at home go South for whatever reason that then means it needs rehoming, people invariably then gumtree or Facebook the dog for sale to try to recoup some of their initial investment. Therein lies some potentially massive issues for the welfare of the dog going forward.
The correct approach is to act selflessly in the best interests of the dog and, unless you know the person well to whom you may be offloading the dog, pass the dog to a reputable rehoming centre/rescue centre. They will then carry out the suitability checks on future potential owners. You will be out of pocket, but I’m afraid that is a life. The dog’s life is more important than money.
As for rescue availability, it does require some legwork and patience. You do need to register with them, get home checked and then ideally visit them (where it is allowed under current guidelines), so they get to know you and you their dogs looking for homes. Many centres will caveat no young children, sometimes to cover their own arses to be honest, where the dog may well be totally fine.
It helps to know a bit about the background of the dog and to engage with the rescues, rather than sit back and wait to be contacted.
Thank you for the advice, we are plugging away with the local rescue centres where we can. The correct approach is to act selflessly in the best interests of the dog and, unless you know the person well to whom you may be offloading the dog, pass the dog to a reputable rehoming centre/rescue centre. They will then carry out the suitability checks on future potential owners. You will be out of pocket, but I’m afraid that is a life. The dog’s life is more important than money.
As for rescue availability, it does require some legwork and patience. You do need to register with them, get home checked and then ideally visit them (where it is allowed under current guidelines), so they get to know you and you their dogs looking for homes. Many centres will caveat no young children, sometimes to cover their own arses to be honest, where the dog may well be totally fine.
It helps to know a bit about the background of the dog and to engage with the rescues, rather than sit back and wait to be contacted.
Tyre Smoke said:
You don't know anything about me. You may not agree with me, but I'm not about to explain myself to you. If you cannot accept a differing opinion to your own, then I suggest it is you that has the character failings, not me.
Tyre Smoke said:
Anyone who pays thousands for a mongrel has more money than sense.
And that is why there will be thousands of abandoned dogs when the Govt funded holiday comes to an end and people either go back to work or find they are out of work.
By all means value your 'Goldendoodle' at £3k and let someone pay that. That's market forces. We all know that isn't what the dog should be valued at.
No dog should be £3k, but it does show where the demand is. You see mongrels are inferior, but a lot of people see these mongrels as highly desirable. And that is why there will be thousands of abandoned dogs when the Govt funded holiday comes to an end and people either go back to work or find they are out of work.
By all means value your 'Goldendoodle' at £3k and let someone pay that. That's market forces. We all know that isn't what the dog should be valued at.
I don't agree that the mongrel types of dogs will be the most likely to be abandoned. They aren't the dogs I see in dog homes and the demand will mean they would be the first ones claimed if they were.
This government funded holiday, at reduced wages, hasn't given people an additional £3k to splash on a dog.
Also some of the dogs that have seen the highest increase in prices aren't mongrels. The rapid increase in dog prices is across most breeds.
I don't see mongrels as inferior, there can be some great characters that are crossbreed dogs. My point is and always has been that they are not pedigree dogs and should not be given 'names' to try and legitimise their status. By all means advertise your mongrel as a Sprocker or whatever, just don't expect and demand champion pedigree money for your mongrel.
Tyre Smoke said:
I don't see mongrels as inferior, there can be some great characters that are crossbreed dogs. My point is and always has been that they are not pedigree dogs and should not be given 'names' to try and legitimise their status. By all means advertise your mongrel as a Sprocker or whatever, just don't expect and demand champion pedigree money for your mongrel.
I don't see the issue with giving them identifiable names. It would be hard to look through classifieds if every dog was listed as a mongrel. People are specifically seeking out certain types of mongrels. Maybe you and the KC club doesn't want to recognise these mongrels, but many people do. It's not a status, but normal dog owners do recognise many of the mongrels. That's what they want. Clearly demand influences the prices.
Tyre Smoke said:
I don't see mongrels as inferior, there can be some great characters that are crossbreed dogs. My point is and always has been that they are not pedigree dogs and should not be given 'names' to try and legitimise their status. By all means advertise your mongrel as a Sprocker or whatever, just don't expect and demand champion pedigree money for your mongrel.
Don’t give them names. But you can call them a Sprocker. Or a Labradoodle etc. And know your place when you price them for sales. Even though the market may be dictated by what buyers pay. Yeah. That all makes perfect sense.
Tyre Smoke said:
You may not agree with me, but I'm not about to explain myself to you. If you cannot accept a differing opinion to your own, then I suggest it is you that has the character failings, not me.
If you're not prepared to explain and reason your arguments, you have to expect people not to take you seriously.You have pointedly ignored my explanations that all pedigree breeds are a result of selective cross-breeding, and that the whole concept of 'pedigree' dogs is a relatively new one, introduced by the Victorians.
The 'pedigree' breeds were created to serve specific purposes, many of which are now redundant.
I keep English Pointers, which quite frankly are f
k all use for anything, these days: they're a single purpose pointing breed, not capable of HPR, and as such not suitable for the way we shoot nowadays - their only remaining practical use that I'm aware of is counting grouse populations on the northern grouse moors. They have a lovely temperament, but are not really suitable as family dogs because they need a LOT of exercise, and constantly shed their fine, needle-like hairs (which get into everything and are a bd to get out of fabrics).Most of the 'designer' crossbreeds like cockapoos and labradoodles have been bred for specific traits that are useful in today's homes (ie. a family dog of a certain size and temperament, that doesn't shed hair as badly as many of the traditional breeds).
So which is more valuable - my Pedigree Pointless Pointers, or a 'mongrel' (aka a modern 'breed') that has been bred for specific characteristics which large numbers of people still find useful?
The only difference is that they haven't yet been recognised as 'pedigree' breeds by the Hyacinth and Henry Bouquets who run the kennel club.
Meanwhile, the public are voting on their value with their wallets. Get used to it.
I don't have an argument with anything you say. I have constantly railed against exactly what you describe these dogs as - designer breeds. Like they are something special. It's a clever marketing ploy by breeders or your next door neighbour to cash in by giving them fancy names to appeal to certain buyers. Consequently the price rises as the market dictates. I understand all that.
I'm happy to explain my reasoning to anyone who can accept an alternative point of view. I won't engage with anyone who makes vile (now thankfully removed) insults.
Lovely dogs pointers, I agree with you though. A breed that is 'obsolete' now.
I'm happy to explain my reasoning to anyone who can accept an alternative point of view. I won't engage with anyone who makes vile (now thankfully removed) insults.
Lovely dogs pointers, I agree with you though. A breed that is 'obsolete' now.
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