Dogs and fields

[Fort Jefferson]

Japveesix said:

Capercaillie killed by a dog walker that should have been under control:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...

Unsurprisingly at the height of the breeding season this male was a bit bolder and more aggressive than usual, most people avoided him but presumably someone's dog didn't.

Shame as there are probably less than 2,000 birds in the UK

The dogs don't always win.

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Dog-shooting-farm...

John had told the owner of these dogs time and time again to keep them under control, because they were chasing his cattle about, and they took no notice.

[illmonkey]

How does a dog shoot a farmer?

[C3BER]

Gun dog?

[Who me ?]

grass widow said:

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Although I had said this to MOH before I'm not sure he believed me until we had a bloke training his 2 Spaniels not to chase aniamls on our land. When MOH saw him he was bringing the orphans back for their evening feed and to come in for the night, and when he got close enough to the bloke with the dogs (now on leads) Minty didn't know any different and went as if to say hello to them and both dogs started growling and barking at her. This told the bloke his dogs weren't as good with live stock as he thought, and taught MOH that maybe she would have to be kept away from people.

This is the sort of Sheep, that I posted about previously. They've got used to dogs, and instead of running scared, form a sheep pack and attack dogs. And if it's a Ram - I don't care what size/type of dog it is - Rams without an attacker are not good neighbours, but add an attacker ,and they will form a ram pack ,and attack .

[66comanche]

C3BER said:

OS maps are the best in the world for directions but unfortunately it's the numptys that cannot read them that's the problem. As for bulls in fields or highlands with horns. Well farmers don't have limitless supply of land and resting land due to worms, silage and crop rotation is the reason you may come across a bull on a footpath. Dairy bulls are a different ball game and I for one would not be going into its field. I only have three fields that don't have footpaths through them which I use for my pedigree herwicks and the highland calves when their first born.

The one that really got me was the farmer that saw me going along his lane towards the fields (all PROW) and started chatting to me, was a bit taken aback at a friendly farmer but he was walking to the gate to see where the bull was because 'he'd just got him and he's the grumpy sort, had me up against the fence till I used the cattle prod on him' - if I hadn't seen him I'd have been completely unaware, no signs etc.

Something I've always wondered C3BER - what's the distinction between dairy and beef bulls in regards to their attitude? I know Freisans (sp) and Charolais (sp) have reputations as potentially aggressive cattle but I never understood the difference that certain bulls are allowed in PROW fields and others not.

I don't trust the buggers one inch, no way of knowing what the crazed bovines are thinking, they only have one expression

As goes the OS map, I never quite know whether it can be taken as gospel or not, as PROW can be withdrawn. I've never been challenged though so I must be doing it right I guess.

[C3BER]

In simple terms and without getting into breed types...a dairy bull is a black and white one. Their bulls when with cows are very dangerous as they will charge, stamp and basically give you a bad day. The beef bull is one used for producing beef cattle for slaughter. A far more docile animal and won that should be friendly.... The French bula dance around and crush you.

[grass widow]

66comanche said:

Something I've always wondered C3BER - what's the distinction between dairy and beef bulls in regards to their attitude? I know Freisans (sp) and Charolais (sp) have reputations as potentially aggressive cattle but I never understood the difference that certain bulls are allowed in PROW fields and others not.

I don't trust the buggers one inch, no way of knowing what the crazed bovines are thinking, they only have one expression

As goes the OS map, I never quite know whether it can be taken as gospel or not, as PROW can be withdrawn. I've never been challenged though so I must be doing it right I guess.

When we went to collect our cows from the Highland bull last year at Hellifield, we had to go up to the tops to get them. They were in a field adjacent to dairy cows with a young bull in, we had to turn the Land Rover and trailer around in the field, but when I opened the gate for C3BER to drive it in the bull came trotting down the field for a nosey. At which point I shut the gate with me on the outside leaving MOH in the field in the car. Now bearing in mind this bull was only 2 and not fully mature he was mahoosive, he had to bend down to look in the window of the Land Rover . When I asked the farmer about him he said he wouldn't trust him as far as he could throw him and he was in a field with no public access, but someone had got in the field with him a few days before and the bull had chased them.

Further down the lane there was a Charolais bull in a field that belonged to another farmer, and apparently that was mental as well. But the Highland bulls, when you go in the field invariably they are laid down as they are inherently lazy buggers. If you want a pregnant cow you have to go in occasionally and get them on their feet so they do some work.

We had a 2 year old stirk running round the field up to a month ago (he's now residing in the freezer) he was a soft as they come and would come for a tickle, due to his size he could push you over without even trying but he wouldn't do it maliciously he just wanted you to take notice of him and give him a tickle behind his ear. He wouldn't have gone up to a stranger for a tickle though, he would only come near us as he was used to us. When walkers come through the field the cows invariable move away, if they have a dog that is loose and they have calves with them, watch out for a skewered dog if they get too close.