Legality of dogs without leads
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k that, legality of a dog in the back of an open back hilux without leads? Saw it this morning driving in a NSL 
Bumpety bump
It's happened several more times recently with the same dog, only the last time (after scaring it away - go me) I saw the house it lives in, and the owner. I explained what has been happening, only to be told that "he's OK" and that "he jumps the fence in the garden".
So this owner deliberately lets her (not particularly small) dog run around in the streets, in other people's property (it's run at me from three different driveways now), get into the rubbish bins when they are left out on bin day, how irresponsible is that!? Is it time I dob her in to the council?
It's happened several more times recently with the same dog, only the last time (after scaring it away - go me) I saw the house it lives in, and the owner. I explained what has been happening, only to be told that "he's OK" and that "he jumps the fence in the garden".
So this owner deliberately lets her (not particularly small) dog run around in the streets, in other people's property (it's run at me from three different driveways now), get into the rubbish bins when they are left out on bin day, how irresponsible is that!? Is it time I dob her in to the council?
Elskeggso said:
Bumpety bump
It's happened several more times recently with the same dog, only the last time (after scaring it away - go me) I saw the house it lives in, and the owner. I explained what has been happening, only to be told that "he's OK" and that "he jumps the fence in the garden".
So this owner deliberately lets her (not particularly small) dog run around in the streets, in other people's property (it's run at me from three different driveways now), get into the rubbish bins when they are left out on bin day, how irresponsible is that!? Is it time I dob her in to the council?
Isn't there more to life than getting so worked up about something so small? It's happened several more times recently with the same dog, only the last time (after scaring it away - go me) I saw the house it lives in, and the owner. I explained what has been happening, only to be told that "he's OK" and that "he jumps the fence in the garden".
So this owner deliberately lets her (not particularly small) dog run around in the streets, in other people's property (it's run at me from three different driveways now), get into the rubbish bins when they are left out on bin day, how irresponsible is that!? Is it time I dob her in to the council?
Call the council and put in a report of a dog roaming. I had this done to me. I used to allow our Lhasa Apso (small dog) to walk with me off the leash each morning when I took my child to a neighbour's house, which is about 50 yards away from where I live, to be taken to school. I live on a quiet cul-de-sac. The person who I assume reported me would drive past at the same time and make a great show of slamming on the brakes, irrespective of where the dog happened to be. She stopped and verbally abused me about the dog one morning, so I told her to f*ck off and get a life.
The Dog Warden paid a visit and dropped a card through the door asking me to get in touch, which I did. He made an appointment to visit, and in a very friendly and matter of fact way he checked out the fences/boundaries of the property and listened to my side of the tale. He also checked me with the dog. Entirely satisfied with what I told him and the security of the boundaries he left. He confirmed I had done nothing wrong because as far as he was concerned the dog was under control, although he did suggest putting him on an extending lead so he would not have to waste his time following up another allegation.
His chief concern was whether I was with the dog. Had I not been he would have taken action, with a warning first and, at the extreme, having the dog taken off me. So if your problem IS a problem and you're prepared for perhaps a little grief from the neighbour, call the Dog Warden service. My experience with them was very good.
The Dog Warden paid a visit and dropped a card through the door asking me to get in touch, which I did. He made an appointment to visit, and in a very friendly and matter of fact way he checked out the fences/boundaries of the property and listened to my side of the tale. He also checked me with the dog. Entirely satisfied with what I told him and the security of the boundaries he left. He confirmed I had done nothing wrong because as far as he was concerned the dog was under control, although he did suggest putting him on an extending lead so he would not have to waste his time following up another allegation.
His chief concern was whether I was with the dog. Had I not been he would have taken action, with a warning first and, at the extreme, having the dog taken off me. So if your problem IS a problem and you're prepared for perhaps a little grief from the neighbour, call the Dog Warden service. My experience with them was very good.
Just to put it straight, I'm not trying to make a pantomime out of this towards the owner, I didn't swear at her or anything, I just don't want to have to give it a kicking if it bites me or the dog, which it looks like it wants to do.
Edited by Elskeggso on Saturday 20th November 10:53
Jasandjules said:
Georgiegirl said:
Some interesting replies - to those who may have missed it I should clarify that I NEVER allow my dog to approach another dog if it is on the lead.
However my point was more if a dog is really as aggressive as the owner implied then it should be restrained more appropriately than just on a lead, which can be dropped or pulled out of hands if the dog decides to tank off.
Sometimes, just being on a lead does not mean that the dog is under control!
Yes but then what if that owner has previously met an aggressive dog? Let's say that when his dog was a puppy it was on lead when some other dog came over and attacked it, and that is what made it dog aggressive in the first place. So now he won't want to muzzle his dog in case another aggressive dog comes over and his can't defend itself but he keeps it on lead to ensure that it doesn't go off attacking all and sundry.However my point was more if a dog is really as aggressive as the owner implied then it should be restrained more appropriately than just on a lead, which can be dropped or pulled out of hands if the dog decides to tank off.
Sometimes, just being on a lead does not mean that the dog is under control!
Oh and OP, in your shoes I would do whatever is necessary - to date I have kicked a dog in the ribs hard enough to lift it off the floor (and it let go of my Newfie!) and I cracked a wolfhound on the backside with the metal part of the dog lead when he was biting my Newfie. I would have had no hesitation in smacking it in the head either to protect my dog if that was necessary.
Also, if you were afraid of being bitten (i.e. it was showing teeth to you) then you can report it to plod... The DDA is poorly drafted legislation but it may serve you at this point.
Wether it is his fault his dog is aggressive or not that does not give him the right to not fully restrain it. Surely he is there to protect his dog but knowing it attacks things he would have to keep it suitably restrained in public imo.
I think your second paragraph is more to the point though it should be the owner protecting his dog not "im gonna let mine attack yours (which i know it will) if yours comes over"
My pet hate is when i walk the dog on the lead and other owners dogs are loose. I always ask them to keep their dog away from us as mine can be a bit of an animal.
The stock reply is "but every dog gets on with mine, it'll be fine".
Why is it owners can't appreciate some of us know our dog is a madam, know they are overly protective and that is why they are on the lead.
once my madam knows another dog she's wonderful with them. At first she just wants a fight. Not ideal but i know it and keep her under control.
I have a bullmastiff and 2 german shepherds they are always on the lead when out in public. If a dog approaches and will not back off i use a size 10 boot which is a shame because i would much prefer to kick the stupid owner. the standard comment is he only wants to say hello,yes with his eyes wide open and his heckles up. 90% of dogs of leads are not under control and shouldn't be of the lead.
10 Pence Short said:
Elskeggso said:
Bumpety bump
It's happened several more times recently with the same dog, only the last time (after scaring it away - go me) I saw the house it lives in, and the owner. I explained what has been happening, only to be told that "he's OK" and that "he jumps the fence in the garden".
So this owner deliberately lets her (not particularly small) dog run around in the streets, in other people's property (it's run at me from three different driveways now), get into the rubbish bins when they are left out on bin day, how irresponsible is that!? Is it time I dob her in to the council?
Isn't there more to life than getting so worked up about something so small? It's happened several more times recently with the same dog, only the last time (after scaring it away - go me) I saw the house it lives in, and the owner. I explained what has been happening, only to be told that "he's OK" and that "he jumps the fence in the garden".
So this owner deliberately lets her (not particularly small) dog run around in the streets, in other people's property (it's run at me from three different driveways now), get into the rubbish bins when they are left out on bin day, how irresponsible is that!? Is it time I dob her in to the council?
Ive just had my court case if my dog is seen running around off the lead the liar that reported him before could get my dog euthanised for next to nothing, dogs have been snarling at each other and chasing cats ect since time begun,there is a thread on here any one in any doubt should hsve a read.
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johnxjsc1985 said:
I have a bullmastiff and 2 german shepherds they are always on the lead when out in public. If a dog approaches and will not back off i use a size 10 boot which is a shame because i would much prefer to kick the stupid owner. the standard comment is he only wants to say hello,yes with his eyes wide open and his heckles up. 90% of dogs of leads are not under control and shouldn't be of the lead.
Do you think your dogs get all the exercise they need if they are always on a lead in public places ?johnxjsc1985 said:
I have a bullmastiff and 2 german shepherds they are always on the lead when out in public. If a dog approaches and will not back off i use a size 10 boot which is a shame because i would much prefer to kick the stupid owner. the standard comment is he only wants to say hello, yes with his eyes wide open and his heckles up . 90% of dogs of leads are not under control and shouldn't be of the lead.
Fair comment, but my dog does this as a matter of course, (raises her hackles, crouches down, ears flat against her head), and she's never so much as barked at another dog. The reason - no idea but she's a rescue dog so I don't know what went on in her past.She is however kept on the lead at all times, but I don't have a problem with other owners who let theirs off the lead.
As the owner of a fear aggressive dog (most shows of aggression are through fear), I don't want some random dog charging up to mine. I want all his experiences to be positive ones that I can control in order that his already negative viewpoint is not reinforced.
Yes I would report this dog owner to the dog warden before he causes an accident or whatever. Besides, hardly responsible dog ownership, is it?
Yes I would report this dog owner to the dog warden before he causes an accident or whatever. Besides, hardly responsible dog ownership, is it?
Tiggsy said:
If you have to walk a dog on lead you've bought a pretty dumb pet.
Tiggs (2 dogs, dont own a lead)
Riiight... I'll just avoid the green spaces round here with the "dogs must be kept on leads" signs. That leaves my local Lidl carpark and the skateboard park to walk her in then Tiggs (2 dogs, dont own a lead)
CO2000 said:
Tiggsy said:
If you have to walk a dog on lead you've bought a pretty dumb pet.
Tiggs (2 dogs, dont own a lead)
What if a more aggressive dog goes for one not on a lead & it runs to get away (ie onto a road) Tiggs (2 dogs, dont own a lead)
Unless you have Inspector Gadget extending arms it may not end well.
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