XL Bully

[V8covin]

Tim Cognito said:

Not strictly related to the XL bully but I was out on my bike yesterday and came up behind someone walking a gsd on a country lane. My hub is quite loud so the owner heard me coming a way off. The dog was on a lead and I could see their slightly panicked attempts to get a good hold of the lead and bring the dog close to them.

Any way sure enough as I went past this dog went mental barking and showing teeth. How people live with the stress of having a dog who behaves like that I have no idea.

It's not just a dog, it's a fur baby

[Gary C]

We all know that ownership of large dogs should require a licence.

But we won't pay for it, local government won't police it

and scumbags would ignore it

[rambo19]

Gary C said:

We all know that ownership of large dogs should require a licence.

But we won't pay for it, local government won't police it

and scumbags would ignore it

What's a large dog?

[abzmike]

rambo19 said:

Gary C said:

We all know that ownership of large dogs should require a licence.

But we won't pay for it, local government won't police it

and scumbags would ignore it

What's a large dog?

Indeed - so require licenses for all dogs.

[wax lyrical]

Is a 'Pocket Bully' now one of the banned breeds, or just the XL Bully?

Curious, as I met a rescue PB on a walk with my puppy this afternoon. As it happened, the PB was very friendly and calm.

[m3jappa]

wax lyrical said:

Is a 'Pocket Bully' now one of the banned breeds, or just the XL Bully?

Curious, as I met a rescue PB on a walk with my puppy this afternoon. As it happened, the PB was very friendly and calm.

Well you met one with the normal temperament. this is what they are meant to be like and the majority are, including mine.

re the ban i do not think they will be involved in it. Loads on facebook stting themselves as the ban states that the dog just has to fit a certain amount of the looks.

But the ban states certain measurements as definates. any female over 19" is not ok, any male over 20" neither.

Some of the people out there who think this ban is great might not realise their labrador cross is now classed as an xl bully might not be so happy. (i do agree something has to be done though).

[Gary C]

rambo19 said:

Gary C said:

We all know that ownership of large dogs should require a licence.

But we won't pay for it, local government won't police it

and scumbags would ignore it

What's a large dog?

Bigger than a small dog

But seriously, it could be set but it won't

[alabbasi]

Tim Cognito said:

Not strictly related to the XL bully but I was out on my bike yesterday and came up behind someone walking a gsd on a country lane. My hub is quite loud so the owner heard me coming a way off. The dog was on a lead and I could see their slightly panicked attempts to get a good hold of the lead and bring the dog close to them.

Any way sure enough as I went past this dog went mental barking and showing teeth. How people live with the stress of having a dog who behaves like that I have no idea.

It seems like the owner had a good handle of his dog, and I'm sure that being aware, gave them a wider birth. So exactly what was supposed to happen happened when a responsible human meets a responsible dog owner, Nothing.

Well done to both parties.

[spookly]

I'll chip in with my 2p worth. As an owner of Great Danes.

This is definitely a problem that is in part breed and part owner.
I know quite a few XL bullies locally that are lovely. They have been well socialised and are great with people and dogs.
I also know of a few XL bullies locally that are very poorly socialised, never off lead, and always look anxious.

The breed part of the problem is that XL bullies when anxious or provoked seem to have a fight response and attack. If they aren't socialised extremely well by an owner capable of properly training and handling them then they have the potential to become another XL bully in the news.

To contrast with Great Danes, most of them really are like Scooby Doo. Their anxiety response is almost always to back away and bark from a safe distance. You'd have to be a particularly useless owner to have a Great Dane that attacks people.

And there's the problem. Only the most experienced and careful dog owners should consider getting an XL bully, but a lot of them seem to be owned by people that will put next to no effort into training or socialisation. And there is a long list of dogs which are also powerful and can react similarly to XL bullies in response to fear/anxiety/perceived threat. They'll just move onto the next hard looking dog which isn't banned.

I think a better response would be to pass a law that dog owners will be prosecuted for any death or injuries to a person as if they had done it themselves. And then actually start locking some of these idiots up for a long time. Might focus their simple minds towards understanding maybe they aren't capable of being responsible for their dog.
I'd also support a law that any bite on a person from any dog results in that dog being euthanised, with possibly an exception for a dog protecting an owner from being attacked. Train and socialise your dog well and you've nothing to worry about.

[Boosted LS1]

"I'd also support a law that any bite on a person from any dog results in that dog being euthanised,"

You big girls blouse. Think for just a moment.

[spookly]

Boosted LS1 said:

"I'd also support a law that any bite on a person from any dog results in that dog being euthanised,"

You big girls blouse. Think for just a moment.

About what?

Any dog biting people is a liability. Most of these dogs that have killed or mauled people will have previously bitten, and most will have been showing signs of anxiety and aggression.

I don't care if it's a Chihuahua. if it bites, then it should go.

We had loads of dogs of differing breeds when I was a child. Not a single one ever bit a person.
As an adult I have had three Great Danes. None of them have ever bitten a person either.
I'm out three hours a day with my dogs, mixing with all sorts of other dogs. For the last ten years. Only ever seen two people bitten by dogs, and they were both trying to break up a fight between dogs and were accidental collateral.

Most well trained and well adjusted dogs do not attack people. If your dog isn't in that camp then I'd fully support it being euthanised as dogs like that are a menace to the general public and other dog owners.

Are you actually saying that if a dogs has previously bitten someone that it isn't a good indicator that they'll be very likely to do it again?

Why should the general public, or even these people's families, be subjected to out of control dogs which are likely to attack?
FWIW, if one of my dogs had bitten one of my kids, the police wouldn't need to come round because I'd have taken it to the vets to get euthanised myself.
A dog biting a human is not some minor thing to be ignored, it's a sign of seriously bad training and socialisation. Even small dogs that bite could cause serious damage to younger children. Either properly train and socialise your dogs or lose them - seems like a fair policy to me.

If you're arguing against this, are you actually arguing that it's perfectly fine to own a dog that has previously bitten someone? And that there's no risk in doing that?

You might think I'm a big girls blouse. I think you're likely a fking idiot.

[Turkish91]

Boosted LS1 said:

"I'd also support a law that any bite on a person from any dog results in that dog being euthanised,"

You big girls blouse. Think for just a moment.

I’m with Boosted LS1. A Springer Spaniel is down as a fatal dog attack in the statisics because it caught it’s elderly owners hand whilst playing tug of war in the garden. Completely innocent accident and the poor chap died about a week later, I’d assume from infection/sepsis etc. Should that dog have been PTS?

[Thevet]

spookly said:

Boosted LS1 said:

"I'd also support a law that any bite on a person from any dog results in that dog being euthanised,"

You big girls blouse. Think for just a moment.

About what?

Any dog biting people is a liability. Most of these dogs that have killed or mauled people will have previously bitten, and most will have been showing signs of anxiety and aggression.

I don't care if it's a Chihuahua. if it bites, then it should go.

We had loads of dogs of differing breeds when I was a child. Not a single one ever bit a person.
As an adult I have had three Great Danes. None of them have ever bitten a person either.
I'm out three hours a day with my dogs, mixing with all sorts of other dogs. For the last ten years. Only ever seen two people bitten by dogs, and they were both trying to break up a fight between dogs and were accidental collateral.

Most well trained and well adjusted dogs do not attack people. If your dog isn't in that camp then I'd fully support it being euthanised as dogs like that are a menace to the general public and other dog owners.

Are you actually saying that if a dogs has previously bitten someone that it isn't a good indicator that they'll be very likely to do it again?

Why should the general public, or even these people's families, be subjected to out of control dogs which are likely to attack?
FWIW, if one of my dogs had bitten one of my kids, the police wouldn't need to come round because I'd have taken it to the vets to get euthanised myself.
A dog biting a human is not some minor thing to be ignored, it's a sign of seriously bad training and socialisation. Even small dogs that bite could cause serious damage to younger children. Either properly train and socialise your dogs or lose them - seems like a fair policy to me.

If you're arguing against this, are you actually arguing that it's perfectly fine to own a dog that has previously bitten someone? And that there's no risk in doing that?

You might think I'm a big girls blouse. I think you're likely a fking idiot.

Such wonderful eloquence, you do not know Boosted nor have a complete grip of the issue. I've been bitten many time over the years due to my job, should all the scared/nasty/defensive culprits be put to sleep? One of my labs, many years ago, nipped the postman's hand when he opened our door to put a parcel inside, she would not have bitten anyone if they had been visible, but she drew blood this time. Would i have put her to sleep? Would i let her out next to the postie? No.
There is a danger to keeping any dog that has bitten, but a bite/snap is remarkably different to an aggressive attack.
Hopefully, you will reduce your levels of aggression, or is that too much like being an XL?

[alabbasi]

Thevet said:

Such wonderful eloquence, you do not know Boosted nor have a complete grip of the issue. I've been bitten many time over the years due to my job, should all the scared/nasty/defensive culprits be put to sleep? One of my labs, many years ago, nipped the postman's hand when he opened our door to put a parcel inside, she would not have bitten anyone if they had been visible, but she drew blood this time.

Ahh yes, the hypocritical argument for laws that apply to other people and their pets and not to him and his own.

[Thevet]

alabbasi said:

Ahh yes, the hypocritical argument for laws that apply to other people and their pets and not to him and his own.

No hypocrisy, a bite is not necessarily aggressive, is it? Any dog of mine that showed the nature to be aggressive would not be here for long! Do you have the balls to stand by that rule? My rottie talks a lot but he's just talking and loves people, does he qualify as aggressive? So, why not just stop......

[alabbasi]

Thevet said:

My rottie talks a lot but he's just talking and loves people, does he qualify as aggressive?

Any law that applies to all pit bulls should apply equally to GSDs, Mastiffs, Rottweilers and labs for that matter as any dog over 40lbs can cause significant damage if they bite, and every breed of dog will have anti social and unmanageable dogs. You just happen to think that my Pitbull was the exception and your Rottweiler is the norm which is nonsense. That's the hypocrisy of your bias.

Edited by alabbasi on Wednesday 8th November 17:32

[Thevet]

alabbasi said:

Any law that applies to all pit bulls should apply equally to GSD's, Mastiffs, Rottweilers and labs for that matter as any dog over 40lbs can cause significant damage if they bite, and every breed of dog will have anti social and unmanageable dogs. You just happen to think that my Pitbull was the exception and your Rottweiler is the norm which is nonsense. That's the hypocrisy of your bias.

I agree that a law affecting a particular breed should apply to the behaviour of all dogs, with the proviso that size matters, how
any fatal attacks have there been from chihuahuas? however, none of my comments were hypocritical, nor even prepared to defend my hounds from the democratic view of the masses. An aggressive dog is not needed in society. Those that have them cannot be regulated so regulate the weapon. I love pit bulls ( I rescued one from a moronic breeder and miss her a lot) rotties GSDs big m-fs they tick my box but if one is deemed dangerous then so be it. I believe in democracy even when it is wrong.
There is no hypocrisy, if a breed is so dangerous, then stop it propagating, there is no need to keep them multiplying.

[alabbasi]

So which of your two comments below do you want to stand behind?

Thevet said:

I've been bitten many time over the years due to my job, should all the scared/nasty/defensive culprits be put to sleep? One of my labs, many years ago, nipped the postman's hand when he opened our door to put a parcel inside, she would not have bitten anyone if they had been visible, but she drew blood this time. Would i have put her to sleep? Would i let her out next to the postie? No.
There is a danger to keeping any dog that has bitten, but a bite/snap is remarkably different to an aggressive attack.
Hopefully, you will reduce your levels of aggression, or is that too much like being an XL?

Thevet said:

Seriously?
People are not suited to having the choice of such a breed, hence a ban on propagation of this breed! It's a no brainer

I think it's a big deal with any dog bites anybody but I also think that a blanket ban is not the solution. The hypocrisy of your point is that your can explain it away when it comes to your dog, and yet take a hard line when it's somebody else's, I've advocated for leash laws, micro chipping, spay and neuter and accountability for owners and breeders that would go towards addressing all dog bites, Experts and advocacy groups like the British Vet Association and the University of Liverpool study seem to indicate the same. My only guess is that people with your views don't like that because it also makes them liable.

By the way, I'm very familiar with chihuahuas and they can be very aggressive. You'd be weary of infection if one bit you after look at the state of their teeth.

[ChocolateFrog]

BBC News - Sheffield dog attack: Boy, 12, seriously injured by bully XL
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...

Broken arm with the bone visible by the family pet.

iTs tHe OwNeRs.

I also disagree with the BBCs last point

"Not interfering with a dog's feeding, sleeping or play time."

If your dog reacts to any of those scenarios then there's already something wrong.

I could pull the food out my dogs mouth and he wouldn't react. I've seen dogs that get aggressive when you go near their dog bowl, no way would I allow my children in a house with a dog like that.

Shouldn't be pandering to behaviour like that.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Friday 15th December 13:32

[Thevet]

As ever, it is no surprise when numpties with no idea of dog control/psyche get big dogs that have genetics "previously" selected for aggression, find that they cannot control the dog.
As ever, stop the breed spreading by breeding/sale.