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Youforreal. said:
just curious for all those in the know, how do you breed a dog to kill and maim?
I mean like it’s just a killing machine straight from the womb?
You have a litter of pups, as they grow you spot which ones are the most aggressive and strong, and they are the ones you breed from next, the initial results could be slow, but you get to a point where the offspring are born with traits that you want. Quicker results in dogs than people, but I wish we could legislate to stop inappropriate breeding of humans! Then we wouoldn't need to legislate dogs.I mean like it’s just a killing machine straight from the womb?
Edited by Youforreal. on Wednesday 20th December 13:00
Thevet said:
Youforreal. said:
just curious for all those in the know, how do you breed a dog to kill and maim?
I mean like it’s just a killing machine straight from the womb?
You have a litter of pups, as they grow you spot which ones are the most aggressive and strong, and they are the ones you breed from next, the initial results could be slow, but you get to a point where the offspring are born with traits that you want. Quicker results in dogs than people, but I wish we could legislate to stop inappropriate breeding of humans! Then we wouoldn't need to legislate dogs.I mean like it’s just a killing machine straight from the womb?
Edited by Youforreal. on Wednesday 20th December 13:00
How is the human aggressive trait bred in though? Surely that must be from the puppy stage?
Edited by Youforreal. on Wednesday 20th December 16:10
^ RAF guard dogs are bred to be aggressive, maybe the same for the army. They will have bloodlines they get preferred stock from. Other dogs can be bred to be super harmless lke guide dog labradors and GSD's.
It only takes about 10 generations to make a huge change in behaviour, for good or bad.
It only takes about 10 generations to make a huge change in behaviour, for good or bad.
I’d agree APBTs can have a superb human focused temperament, I’ve known quite a few and they’re great company, just like a staffy, however, with other animals it was quite the opposite. That’s where good owners come into it, they (owners) should know their dogs history/prey drive and account for it. Staffys can be aggressive but it’s almost all bred out.
As for XLs, I do feel sorry for any animal being put down but the UK bloodline is knackered. terrible breeding from f
kwits resulting in overly aggressive dogs, there’s no place for them. 
As for XLs, I do feel sorry for any animal being put down but the UK bloodline is knackered. terrible breeding from f
kwits resulting in overly aggressive dogs, there’s no place for them. Boom78 said:
I’d agree APBTs can have a superb human focused temperament, I’ve known quite a few and they’re great company, just like a staffy, however, with other animals it was quite the opposite. That’s where good owners come into it, they (owners) should know their dogs history/prey drive and account for it. Staffys can be aggressive but it’s almost all bred out.
As for XLs, I do feel sorry for any animal being put down but the UK bloodline is knackered. terrible breeding from fkwits resulting in overly aggressive dogs, there’s no place for them.
Agreed (mostly), as with staff and other bully breeds, their roots are from fighting sports (if you call it sport) and therefore tend to be manageable towards humans and aggressive towards other animals. They require an alert owner who is physically able to control them. Leash laws are important because no matter how alert or strong an owner may be, it's pointless if some nimrod is walking around with their dog off a leash and it runs up to your pit..As for XLs, I do feel sorry for any animal being put down but the UK bloodline is knackered. terrible breeding from f
kwits resulting in overly aggressive dogs, there’s no place for them. Some dogs can be rehabilitated, I posted an article several pages ago about an American Football player called Michael Vick who in the mid 2000's was charged and went to prison for running a dog fighting ring. Several of his dogs were rehomed after some rehab and lived out a long and happy life. FYI Pitbull make terrible guard dogs. They're too people friendly,. As a result, often get stolen from people's yards for dog fighting. One experience owner used to say when I first got mine, "if you want to protect him, stick him in the yard with a bunch of Rottweilers".
Edited by alabbasi on Wednesday 20th December 23:05
Pits are a whole different ball game form staffs, I agree they are not great guards dogs at all but can be very protective of their owners when a strong bond is formed,
Their drive and gameness are mostly dependant on their lines, I’ve encountered very dog aggressive ones from the off and others that will get along fine with their k9 counterparts.
They respond very well by just voice commands, they are very sensitive to being shouted at, even the right eye contact is enough for them to understand they are doing something they shouldn’t be.
I’ve yet to meet one that is human aggressive, rehabilitation (towards animals and gaining trust of humans again) is easier with dogs that were forced into fighting but those that have drive will always have it.
They are a magnificent dog and are a pleasure to own, it’s a bond like no other.
I hope that American football guy dies in prison.
Their drive and gameness are mostly dependant on their lines, I’ve encountered very dog aggressive ones from the off and others that will get along fine with their k9 counterparts.
They respond very well by just voice commands, they are very sensitive to being shouted at, even the right eye contact is enough for them to understand they are doing something they shouldn’t be.
I’ve yet to meet one that is human aggressive, rehabilitation (towards animals and gaining trust of humans again) is easier with dogs that were forced into fighting but those that have drive will always have it.
They are a magnificent dog and are a pleasure to own, it’s a bond like no other.
I hope that American football guy dies in prison.
Edited by Youforreal. on Thursday 21st December 00:03
alabbasi said:
gavsdavs said:
Physical power, maybe. Bred-in temperament, don't be silly.
Pit bulls have a great temperament if well socialized, any dog can snap if abused, and all will show aggressive tendencies if they're not fixed and smell the scent of a female on heat.alabbasi said:
That would be any dog over 50lbs.
In this thread you've constantly maintained pitt bulls as misunderstood petals and that any dog over 50lb is likely to behave the same.Though it's possible to badly socialise any dog and properly socialise bull breeeds, statistical and observed evidence overwhelmingly suggests the pitt bull family of breeds/dogs is problematic.
There's a good chance the bull breeds have a high incidence of owners looking to capitalise on aggressive traits and that all other breeds have owners looking to socialise to avoid aggressive traits.
My point is that you should not imply "oh all large breeds are the same" which you seem to frequently do. Bull breeds present specific challenges which often seem to turn into problems. This needs to be acknowledged.
gavsdavs said:
alabbasi said:
gavsdavs said:
Physical power, maybe. Bred-in temperament, don't be silly.
Pit bulls have a great temperament if well socialized, any dog can snap if abused, and all will show aggressive tendencies if they're not fixed and smell the scent of a female on heat.alabbasi said:
That would be any dog over 50lbs.
In this thread you've constantly maintained pitt bulls as misunderstood petals and that any dog over 50lb is likely to behave the same.Though it's possible to badly socialise any dog and properly socialise bull breeeds, statistical and observed evidence overwhelmingly suggests the pitt bull family of breeds/dogs is problematic.
There's a good chance the bull breeds have a high incidence of owners looking to capitalise on aggressive traits and that all other breeds have owners looking to socialise to avoid aggressive traits.
My point is that you should not imply "oh all large breeds are the same" which you seem to frequently do. Bull breeds present specific challenges which often seem to turn into problems. This needs to be acknowledged.
Well balanced approach, at least you not in the one cap fits all!
I’m in full agreement, when you take on a bull breed dog you have to fully acknowledge what you have, you have to put a lot more than most into socialising your dog and taking more care when in public to ensure the safety of yours and others dogs!
Anyone who assumes that their bull breed is just the same as a labradoodle is not the kind of owner the breed needs.
As you point out, they have a tendency to attract the type in society that shouldn’t own a hamster never mind a dog of this type.
I’ve owned them for 35 years plus now and still maintain that you can own nothing that shows such love and affection when loved and brought up correctly, I’ve never had an incident, then again I don’t have a dog as some sort of fashion accessory with its ears cut off and studded harness.
It’s a sad situation that a breed finds itself in because of bad breeding and bad owners.
Edited by Youforreal. on Thursday 21st December 11:00
gavsdavs said:
In this thread you've constantly maintained pitt bulls as misunderstood petals and that any dog over 50lb is likely to behave the same.
My point is that you should not imply "oh all large breeds are the same" which you seem to frequently do. Bull breeds present specific challenges which often seem to turn into problems. This needs to be acknowledged.
1) Any dog over 50lbs has the physical power to cause serious damage. The temperament is determined by breeding and socializing. Inbreeding causes problems, poor socialization causes problems. My point is that you should not imply "oh all large breeds are the same" which you seem to frequently do. Bull breeds present specific challenges which often seem to turn into problems. This needs to be acknowledged.
2) I didn't imply that all large breed are the same. For that matter, I've been saying that not all pitbulls are the same which is why a breed ban makes no sense. Whatever point you tried to make can be applied to any other dog over 50lbs. They'll have the physical abilities so it will come down to breeding (not breed) and owners.
They keep coming sadly. Wish there was a quick solution that wasn't stupid. Perhaps the pro-XL ppl could suggest a quick solution?
Maybe financial penalties would work....unless the owners are unable to afford that on top of their dog. What a mess us humans have made of this sort of stuff along with the reat of the world.
Maybe financial penalties would work....unless the owners are unable to afford that on top of their dog. What a mess us humans have made of this sort of stuff along with the reat of the world.
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