XL Bully

[MightyBadger]

Zoon said:

Best dog ever, until is isn't.

As I'm sure the woman in the flat sadly found out.

Exactly, just hope everyone who has these doesn't find out the same way.

[JackJarvis]

Bighoose said:

And another serious incident in the news this morning:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o

Edited by Bighoose on Wednesday 22 May 11:21

Two big dangerous dogs in a city centre flat, what could possibly go wrong.

I bet she had conversations almost daily with people telling them how soft and gentle they were, wouldn't hurt a fly.

[irc]

"Wow! So the poor girl that died was guilty of something and deserved what she got? "

All XL Bully owners are guilty of bringing dangerous dogs into their community. Better if nobody is injured or killed. If anyone is injured or killed I would rather it was the owners who accepted the risk of ownership rather than anyone else in the local community who had the risk thrust upon them.

[Youforreal.]

irc said:

"Wow! So the poor girl that died was guilty of something and deserved what she got? "

All XL Bully owners are guilty of bringing dangerous dogs into their community. Better if nobody is injured or killed. If anyone is injured or killed I would rather it was the owners who accepted the risk of ownership rather than anyone else in the local community who had the risk thrust upon them.

Well lucky for you it was the owner who fully deserved it then.

[irc]

Youforreal. said:

irc said:

"Wow! So the poor girl that died was guilty of something and deserved what she got? "

All XL Bully owners are guilty of bringing dangerous dogs into their community. Better if nobody is injured or killed. If anyone is injured or killed I would rather it was the owners who accepted the risk of ownership rather than anyone else in the local community who had the risk thrust upon them.

Well lucky for you it was the owner who fully deserved it then.

Not lucky for me. For her neighbours. One of my neighbours had their dog killed by XL Bullys.

[Youforreal.]

irc said:

Youforreal. said:

irc said:

"Wow! So the poor girl that died was guilty of something and deserved what she got? "

All XL Bully owners are guilty of bringing dangerous dogs into their community. Better if nobody is injured or killed. If anyone is injured or killed I would rather it was the owners who accepted the risk of ownership rather than anyone else in the local community who had the risk thrust upon them.

Well lucky for you it was the owner who fully deserved it then.

Not lucky for me. For her neighbours. One of my neighbours had their dog killed by XL Bullys.

Either way, the owners get killed or mauled with life changing injuries so alls good.

[irc]

Youforreal. said:

Either way, the owners get killed or mauled with life changing injuries so alls good.

Nobody has said all good. Would you feel better if it was a neighbour that got hurt?

[Youforreal.]

irc said:

Youforreal. said:

Either way, the owners get killed or mauled with life changing injuries so alls good.

Nobody has said all good. Would you feel better if it was a neighbour that got hurt?

I don’t want to see anyone or any animal hurt unlike some here.

I’d prefer that they were bred properly, owned by responsible people who take the necessary steps to understand what they own and how to make them into a great companion, unfortunately that’s not the case for many that want them a trophy dog and treat them like st.

Unfortunately we are away past that point and the government/local councils should have stepped in long ago when this breed was only in it’s infancy.

I mean what the fk type of person has to mutilate a dogs ears before they think they are visually pleasing to own?


I’ve had bull breed dogs for 30 years, my neighbours have no problem at all with my current dog, or any of my previous dogs, in fact they actively interact with him as he is very friendly.

Edited by Youforreal. on Thursday 23 May 21:36

[bmwmike]

Youforreal. said:

I don’t want to see anyone or any animal hurt unlike some here.

I’d prefer that they were bred properly, owned by responsible people who take the necessary steps to understand what they own and how to make them into a great companion, unfortunately that’s not the case for many that want them a trophy dog and treat them like st.

Unfortunately we are away past that point and the government/local councils should have stepped in long ago when this breed was only in it’s infancy.

I mean what the fk type of person has to mutilate a dogs ears before they think they are visually pleasing to own?


I’ve had bull breed dogs for 30 years, my neighbours have no problem at all with my current dog, or any of my previous dogs, in fact they actively interact with him as he is very friendly.

Edited by Youforreal. on Thursday 23 May 21:36

Genie out of the bottle though isn't it. I think we all would prefer they had been bred properly, but they haven't, simple as that.

[Youforreal.]

bmwmike said:

Youforreal. said:

I don’t want to see anyone or any animal hurt unlike some here.

I’d prefer that they were bred properly, owned by responsible people who take the necessary steps to understand what they own and how to make them into a great companion, unfortunately that’s not the case for many that want them a trophy dog and treat them like st.

Unfortunately we are away past that point and the government/local councils should have stepped in long ago when this breed was only in it’s infancy.

I mean what the fk type of person has to mutilate a dogs ears before they think they are visually pleasing to own?


I’ve had bull breed dogs for 30 years, my neighbours have no problem at all with my current dog, or any of my previous dogs, in fact they actively interact with him as he is very friendly.

Edited by Youforreal. on Thursday 23 May 21:36

Genie out of the bottle though isn't it. I think we all would prefer they had been bred properly, but they haven't, simple as that.

Yes and i haven’t the answer to these horrific attacks either but all I’m trying to get across that they are not all bred to kill like some think they are.

The breeds that have been introduced into their breeding and the way they are brought up is everything in the way they will turn out, again sadly just one look at some of the owners on the other end of the lead tells you all you need to know about what the dog might behave like.

[kevinon]

Just like Turkey teeth and trout pouts I expect XL bully popularity to grow among certain types.

[Youforreal.]

kevinon said:

Just like Turkey teeth and trout pouts I expect XL bully popularity to grow among certain types.

It’s already happened sadly for the breed and the innocent people that have lost their life or been seriously disfigured.

I have no such sympathy for the unscrupulous breeders and the owners that mistreated the dogs form young and have no issue with any horrific attack that is carried out on either.

[bmwmike]

Youforreal. said:

Yes and i haven’t the answer to these horrific attacks either but all I’m trying to get across that they are not all bred to kill like some think they are.

The breeds that have been introduced into their breeding and the way they are brought up is everything in the way they will turn out, again sadly just one look at some of the owners on the other end of the lead tells you all you need to know about what the dog might behave like.

Deep down i think you know what the answer is.

[Youforreal.]

bmwmike said:

Youforreal. said:

Yes and i haven’t the answer to these horrific attacks either but all I’m trying to get across that they are not all bred to kill like some think they are.

The breeds that have been introduced into their breeding and the way they are brought up is everything in the way they will turn out, again sadly just one look at some of the owners on the other end of the lead tells you all you need to know about what the dog might behave like.

Deep down i think you know what the answer is.

I honestly can’t bring myself to think that the extinction of an entire breed is the thing to do because of what has happened but only time will tell how bad these attacks get as a lot of the dogs are in their infancy and owned by people that shouldn’t have them :-(

I love bull breed dogs, they are such an amazing dog if brought up right, sadly we are now witnessing what happens when they are not and couple with bad blood lines = a nightmare.

I can see both side of the argument here but having a epic companion such as I have, the thought of good dogs being killed is heartbreaking too.

[irc]

Assuming all the registered Bullys have been neutered as required the problem will sort itself over the next dozen years or so at the cost of a number of lives and a large number of serious injuries.

[bmwmike]

irc said:

Assuming all the registered Bullys have been neutered as required the problem will sort itself over the next dozen years or so at the cost of a number of lives and a large number of serious injuries.

Yes, good point. Based on the past few years, would that number of deaths be in the region of 30-40 over a decade?

[irc]

bmwmike said:

irc said:

Assuming all the registered Bullys have been neutered as required the problem will sort itself over the next dozen years or so at the cost of a number of lives and a large number of serious injuries.

Yes, good point. Based on the past few years, would that number of deaths be in the region of 30-40 over a decade?

Probably too early to say. XL Bully numbers have soared in the past few years. Peaked now obviously. Averages are not much help when dealing with small numbers as a few incidents skew them. 30-40 in the right ballpark though. Another few years and we will have a better idea of how much, if any, the public muzzle law reduces attacks. No idea if neutered dogs are any less likely to attack either.



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/xl-bully-fat...

[Youforreal.]

bmwmike said:

irc said:

Assuming all the registered Bullys have been neutered as required the problem will sort itself over the next dozen years or so at the cost of a number of lives and a large number of serious injuries.

Yes, good point. Based on the past few years, would that number of deaths be in the region of 30-40 over a decade?

Sadly it could be more than that, neutering so they can’t be bred is a good thing but the reality for some of these dogs that are being mistreated is that due to a lack of confidence they can be fear agressive, loose the testies and that can actually make matters worse!

Believe me a fear agressive dog is sometimes a lot worse than a normal aggressive dog in the way it behaves, ie it’s very unpredictable, not what you want for a bully.

[bmwmike]

irc said:

Probably too early to say. XL Bully numbers have soared in the past few years. Peaked now obviously. Averages are not much help when dealing with small numbers as a few incidents skew them. 30-40 in the right ballpark though. Another few years and we will have a better idea of how much, if any, the public muzzle law reduces attacks. No idea if neutered dogs are any less likely to attack either.



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/xl-bully-fat...

I learnt from esteemed collaborators on this very thread that the majority of maulings happen within the home or on private property, so that may render the muzzles a mute point, or at least not as effective as we may hope.

I'd imagine we are just before peak too, as there may well be more XL's in the post as presumably there are lots of XL bhes who got knocked up before the ban came in.

[Thevet]

Youforreal. said:

I don’t want to see anyone or any animal hurt unlike some here.

I’d prefer that they were bred properly, owned by responsible people who take the necessary steps to understand what they own and how to make them into a great companion, unfortunately that’s not the case for many that want them a trophy dog and treat them like st.

Unfortunately we are away past that point and the government/local councils should have stepped in long ago when this breed was only in it’s infancy.

I mean what the fk type of person has to mutilate a dogs ears before they think they are visually pleasing to own?


I’ve had bull breed dogs for 30 years, my neighbours have no problem at all with my current dog, or any of my previous dogs, in fact they actively interact with him as he is very friendly.

Edited by Youforreal. on Thursday 23 May 21:36

I think some of the people breeding this "type" should suffer the consequences of their actions, for example locally, a vet practice called Platinum Vets was set up by a convicted drug dealer Mr Scott Bennet, who also surprisingly bred bully xls. Now reconvicted of drug dealing he is at HM pleasure for a few years, but he and his minions mutilated numerous dogs especially with cropping their ears, because they didn't look the part, completely illegal but the RCVS and SPCA were poor in their response due to legal concerns. This is the sad nature of some of the breeders.
I like dogs such as my rottie and the numerous pit bulls and the few bully xls I've met but they are all too often owned by imbeciles, as per the rednecks in the US that can own automatic assault rifles. I have no sympathy with owners of challenging breeds getting hurt by their "pet", and I would quite happily put some of the offenders to sleep, but I have also taken in some of the victims. It is difficult to always know whether the hound can or should be spared, but I have many doubts about some of these anumals, irrespective of their upbringing. Called to a Cane Corso a few weeks ago by the police, holy sh*t what a nasty beastie, thankfully the judges said euthanase soon after, why should such a dog be in a block of flats and used to intimidate neighbours or assault the police?
Stop the dogs breeding, stop their sale, force insurance on the owners and prosecute the offenders. The "good" ones don't have to be put to sleep, but don't let such a breed continue, there's plenty of other monster hounds that can fill the gaps, just make it difficult to get new bullies, thie is a problem of some suboptimal humans breeding suboptimal hounds with awful traits.
I like rescue devil dogs this one was deaf blind and diabetic brought in for put to sleep
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this one was abandoned for not being aggressive enough, my best ever hound