Summer Holidays 2021

[Pete102]

ChocolateFrog said:

ElectricSoup said:

Pete102 said:

I'd wager that for many people who voted Brexit, right of free movement was not at the forefront of their mind.

Beg to differ. It was at the forefornt of many voters minds with respect to movement into the UK, otherwise the Leave campaigns wouldn't have played on that so hard, although it was evidently not very well considered by those voters with respect to movement out, despite being warned of the consequences of what they were doing by the Remain campaigners. I'm sure, however, you're right many of them didn't give a fk about movement out, and essentially voted to remove those rights from their fellow contrymen who wanted, cherished and indeed needed those rights. The penny has probably dropped with some of those now though, and they are starting to see the problems they've created manifest in their own lives. To them, I say "ha ha ha ha tough st you stupid fks". However, I am deeply sorry for those who did not vote for this removal of rights and have subsequently suffered at the hands of those selfish, stupid pricks.

Edited by ElectricSoup on Tuesday 30th March 11:37

Edited by ElectricSoup on Tuesday 30th March 11:37

All those millions of people who voted Leave worrying about working in the EU



Sometimes I wonder what planet Remainers are on.

Anyway, Brexit digression. On the plus side none of us would be vaccinated if we were still in the EU.

It's quite clear all those millions of people who voted Leave didn't really know what they actually voted for (see crying fisherman, Expats in Spain and hauliers for evidence). Anyway, as you say, Brexit digression.

[JQ]

For our summer holiday last year we had to have tests on arrival at the airport and 5 days later - all booked in advance. Children weren't required to have tests. Total cost for our family of 4 was £180, certainly didn't put us off travelling.

[Welshbeef]

vaud said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I was under the impression lateral flow tests were only a few quid?

I'm having to do 2-3 tests a week and I get an hour's overtime per test so it must be costing someone (the tax payer ultimately) a fortune.

Lateral flow are, PCR are ~£120 I think, so it will depend on what is demanded at the other end?

Easyjet seemed to be referring to PCR: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56647119
and
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2021/03/how-much-does...

For a single flying that’s probably fine.

But a family say of 5 hard working (but average salary ) it’s a significant additional cost. That said those who’ve not been furloughed and not done much the last year have likely been paying down debts or building savings so maybe able to accept it / or instead of 2 weeks do 10 days instead

[vaud]

Welshbeef said:

For a single flying that’s probably fine.

But a family say of 5 hard working (but average salary ) it’s a significant additional cost. That said those who’ve not been furloughed and not done much the last year have likely been paying down debts or building savings so maybe able to accept it / or instead of 2 weeks do 10 days instead

I agree.

Also fine for most business travellers.

[Pete102]

I'd hope that the PCR test costs will come down, there is quite a bit of disparity across Europe at the moment (I assume this extends around the world).

[vaud]

Pete102 said:

I'd hope that the PCR test costs will come down, there is quite a bit of disparity across Europe at the moment (I assume this extends around the world).

Some countries have capped the pricing (so probably state subsidised).

[LuS1fer]

vaud said:

Welshbeef said:

For a single flying that’s probably fine.

But a family say of 5 hard working (but average salary ) it’s a significant additional cost. That said those who’ve not been furloughed and not done much the last year have likely been paying down debts or building savings so maybe able to accept it / or instead of 2 weeks do 10 days instead

I agree.

Also fine for most business travellers.

Everyone is assuming the test, coming back, will be negative. What if it's positive? You have to stay.

[Welshbeef]

LuS1fer said:

Everyone is assuming the test, coming back, will be negative. What if it's positive? You have to stay.

Good point.
Clearly you couldn’t fly as you’d possibly infect all on the flight (or none)

[Wiltshire Lad]

LuS1fer said:

Everyone is assuming the test, coming back, will be negative. What if it's positive? You have to stay.

And that's the biggest disincentive for families - some insurance policies MAY cover the additional accommodation costs (which could be 2 weeks) - many won't. And unless you can work remotely could clearly be a big problem.

[Deep Thought]

Wiltshire Lad said:

LuS1fer said:

Everyone is assuming the test, coming back, will be negative. What if it's positive? You have to stay.

And that's the biggest disincentive for families - some insurance policies MAY cover the additional accommodation costs (which could be 2 weeks) - many won't. And unless you can work remotely could clearly be a big problem.

The insurance we took out with Jet2 specifically covered additional accommodation and costs associated with having a positive test outcome and not being able to travel home.

It would definitely be worth checking for that and looking at the fine print before commiting.

[Uncle John]

I’ve said it before on here & I’ll say it again, I’ve no idea why people are bothering at all this year.

All up in the air with moving goalposts is likely to cause more stress than not going at all.

[bad company]

Uncle John said:

I’ve said it before on here & I’ll say it again, I’ve no idea why people are bothering at all this year.

All up in the air with moving goalposts is likely to cause more stress than not going at all.

Don’t go at all then.

The rest of us are watching with interest and hoping for the best.

[JQ]

Uncle John said:

I’ve said it before on here & I’ll say it again, I’ve no idea why people are bothering at all this year.

All up in the air with moving goalposts is likely to cause more stress than not going at all.

I don't follow the logic there - where does the stress come from? We booked a holiday early to remove the stress. If we can go away, that's brilliant, it's already all sorted, no last minute running around frantically trying to book a holiday along with millions of other should things open up. If it doesn't happen, then it's not an issue, we're in exactly the same position as everyone else.

I get the impression from this thread that its those people who haven't booked anything are the ones stressing - they just seem desperate for everyone to be in the same position they are.

[bad company]

JQ said:

I get the impression from this thread that its those people who haven't booked anything are the ones stressing - they just seem desperate for everyone to be in the same position they are.

I reckon you have a good point there. As long as the trip can be easily cancelled what’s the problem?

[Wiltshire Lad]

JQ said:

I don't follow the logic there - where does the stress come from? We booked a holiday early to remove the stress. If we can go away, that's brilliant, it's already all sorted, no last minute running around frantically trying to book a holiday along with millions of other should things open up. If it doesn't happen, then it's not an issue, we're in exactly the same position as everyone else.

I get the impression from this thread that its those people who haven't booked anything are the ones stressing - they just seem desperate for everyone to be in the same position they are.

there's certainly a little bit if that going on but I can imagine there will be some stress involved - e.g waiting for the test results for your flight back - if you have work next week or the kids have school...if you're a retired couple then yes, I get it - no stress. Depends upon circumstances and your attitude to risk (and I don't mean medical - that's a none issue for me).

[anonymous-user]

Uncle John said:

I’ve said it before on here & I’ll say it again, I’ve no idea why people are bothering at all this year.

All up in the air with moving goalposts is likely to cause more stress than not going at all.

Obviously (again) it would cause you stress, so you’re right not to do it. In your situation.

Others feel less stressed about it and see it differently. I want to go abroad during the summer and am quite happy to not know what will happen until the last minute. That kind of scenario would cause me very little stress.

What might make your life stressful to the point you avoid something might not bother others as much or they might view the situation differently to you.

If you’ve got no idea why others are doing something perhaps you’re a bit unable to recognise that not everyone thinks like you?

[Uncle John]

You’re all getting a bit deep on this chaps, I basically couldn’t be fked with all the hassle. You lot can crack on, hope you enjoy your holiday.

C’est la vie.

[anonymous-user]

Wiltshire Lad said:

JQ said:

I don't follow the logic there - where does the stress come from? We booked a holiday early to remove the stress. If we can go away, that's brilliant, it's already all sorted, no last minute running around frantically trying to book a holiday along with millions of other should things open up. If it doesn't happen, then it's not an issue, we're in exactly the same position as everyone else.

I get the impression from this thread that its those people who haven't booked anything are the ones stressing - they just seem desperate for everyone to be in the same position they are.

there's certainly a little bit if that going on but I can imagine there will be some stress involved - e.g waiting for the test results for your flight back - if you have work next week or the kids have school...if you're a retired couple then yes, I get it - no stress. Depends upon circumstances and your attitude to risk (and I don't mean medical - that's a none issue for me).

Quite, so saying you’re not going away because you’d find it stressful makes perfect sense, saying you (or some other poster) don’t understand why others are trying to doesn’t.

Stress is just a physiological response, what we all find stressful varies massively based on our circumstances and perception and understanding of the events.

Baring in mind people are saying x will be stressful today in April when we don’t know what will be happening in July or august and what the procedures etc will actually be.

This is exactly like last years thread. People who don’t want to go away didn’t go and some wanted to but weren’t able to go due to new rules and corridors etc and some went and enjoyed themselves. Each to their own.

[Amateurish]

vaud said:

Amateurish said:

Will £500 pp in Covid tests for everyone going on holiday put people off?

Would be more like £1000 for a family of 4? - 4 tests out and then 4 tests on the way back in @£125/each?

It has to be PCR and it's minimum 4 tests pp, 5 if you want to be released after 6 days of quarantining instead of 10. I just did it and it cost £500. Luckily the French one was free. So it would be more than £500 pp of the country you were traveling to also charged for covid tests.

[Amateurish]

1 PCR before leaving UK
1 PCR 7 days after arriving in France
1 PCR or LFT before returning to UK
1 PCR on day 2 after return to UK
1 PCR or LAMP on day 5 (optional test to release)
1 PCR on day 8