Need to log travel plans before leaving UK

[ceebmoj]

what if bulgaries got hold of the info. Basically easy pickings for them.

So the next things is that insurance companies will not insure your propoerty if you have gone out the country.

this is totally rubbish

[ceebmoj]

what if bulgaries got hold of the info. Basically easy pickings for them.

So the next things is that insurance companies will not insure your propoerty if you have gone out the country.

this is totally rubbish

[tinman0]

audidoody said:

M3333 said:

I was working in Manchester last Thursday. Driving along minding my own business I was suddenly halted by a police motorcycle, all the traffic behind me stopped and then came a barrage of about 20 motorbikes all surrounding a Range Rover. Inside that Range Rover was our wonderfull PM! Imagine my shock and suprise, I didn't believe it until I got home and checked the Manchester News to see his ugly face 'doing good things' for the people of Manchester. Anyways my point, this trip was not in the national press but the security he had was actually scary, certainly scared me, I would have loved to pic the blackberry up and film or photograph, well I didn't fancy eating porridge, because this state would assume my malice motives in a few mobile pics!!.

Just how utterly deluded is this idiot of a PM and his own crazy views on terrorism? FFS, scary scary times indeed, the man is a pyscho.

Edited by M3333 on Sunday 15th March 09:02

Range Rover? 20 motorbikes? Isn't he supposed to use the train like all of us to save the Planet?

We're such a crap nation we can't even to cavalcades properly.

In the back of nowhere Morocco we bumped into King Mo 6th. Now that was a cavalcade, with 3 helicopter gunships, 40-50 black Mercs, a light blue RR (figure that was the King), 40-50 outriders (one of which pulled us off the road), a chase ambulance, chase fire tender, loads of tv trucks, countless cops all along the route. And this is no joke for 100km in each directions there were two red flags every km.

Now thats how you celebrate a ruler coming to town - not 20 outriders and an RR.

[ceebmoj]

ceebmoj said:

what if bulgaries got hold of the info. Basically easy pickings for them.

So the next things is that insurance companies will not insure your propoerty if you have gone out the country.

this is totally rubbish

PS log in on your own account Caroline

[turbobloke]

ceebmoj said:

ceebmoj said:

what if bulgaries got hold of the info. Basically easy pickings for them.

So the next things is that insurance companies will not insure your propoerty if you have gone out the country.

this is totally rubbish

PS log in on your own account Caroline

[DriveFree]

Here's the latest on this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1163786/St...

And here's the document the article refers to: http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/may/uk-pnr-sem...

[chris.mapey]

Just sent this to my MP...

Dear John Gummer,

I am writing to express my concerns at the UK e-borders scheme requiring all travellers to log travel details in advance of travelling.

This is something that makes my blood run cold, and is another step towards this government turning the hard won freedoms of the UK into a cheap facsimile of the Soviet Bloc...

Please see below for more details:

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/may/uk-pnr-sem...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4987415/All...

I offer these words to you as well...

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. ~Abraham Lincoln

Nations grown corrupt
Love bondage more than liberty;
Bondage with ease than strenuous liberty.
~John Milton

Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of liberty is a history of resistance. ~Woodrow Wilson

and perhaps most telling:

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

I would be grateful if you could let me know your thoughts about this scheme.

Many thanks in advance & best regards

Yours sincerely,

Chris Mapey

[TimJMS]

chris.mapey said:

Just sent this to my MP...

Dear John Gummer,

I am writing to express my concerns at the UK e-borders scheme requiring all travellers to log travel details in advance of travelling...

Chris Mapey

Any response yet from the Rt Honourable former Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food?
Any response

[King Herald]

TimJMS said:

chris.mapey said:

Just sent this to my MP...

Dear John Gummer,

I am writing to express my concerns at the UK e-borders scheme requiring all travellers to log travel details in advance of travelling...

Chris Mapey

Any response yet from the Rt Honourable former Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food?
Any response

I wrote to my MP a week ago about it, no reply yet, David Kidney. I shall remind him.

[cardigankid]

Thanks Chris, a timely reminder.

[chris.mapey]

TimJMS said:

chris.mapey said:

Just sent this to my MP...

Dear John Gummer,

I am writing to express my concerns at the UK e-borders scheme requiring all travellers to log travel details in advance of travelling...

Chris Mapey

Any response yet from the Rt Honourable former Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food?
Any response

Nothing received to date. Reminder will be sent at weekend

[M3333]

audidoody said:

M3333 said:

I was working in Manchester last Thursday. Driving along minding my own business I was suddenly halted by a police motorcycle, all the traffic behind me stopped and then came a barrage of about 20 motorbikes all surrounding a Range Rover. Inside that Range Rover was our wonderfull PM! Imagine my shock and suprise, I didn't believe it until I got home and checked the Manchester News to see his ugly face 'doing good things' for the people of Manchester. Anyways my point, this trip was not in the national press but the security he had was actually scary, certainly scared me, I would have loved to pic the blackberry up and film or photograph, well I didn't fancy eating porridge, because this state would assume my malice motives in a few mobile pics!!.

Just how utterly deluded is this idiot of a PM and his own crazy views on terrorism? FFS, scary scary times indeed, the man is a pyscho.

Edited by M3333 on Sunday 15th March 09:02

Range Rover? 20 motorbikes? Isn't he supposed to use the train like all of us to save the Planet?

Shirley a toyota prius and a couple of bikes would have done the job? Saved a few quid to pay some of his 'loose' spending off? Not that the one eyed twunt even knew he was in a RR or had police bikes anyways.

I hate this man more and more daily.

Watching the news last night with him in the states was cringeworthy.

[esselte]

King Herald said:

TimJMS said:

chris.mapey said:

Just sent this to my MP...

Dear John Gummer,

I am writing to express my concerns at the UK e-borders scheme requiring all travellers to log travel details in advance of travelling...

Chris Mapey

Any response yet from the Rt Honourable former Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food?
Any response

I wrote to my MP a week ago about it, no reply yet, David Kidney. I shall remind him.

They're probably all meeting to get their story straight...

[Corpulent Tosser]

HRG said:

www.writetothem.com

Don't winge about it on here, fking do something about it and contact your MP

Done.

I await his response.

[jep]

Corpulent Tosser said:

HRG said:

www.writetothem.com

Don't winge about it on here, fking do something about it and contact your MP

Done.

I await his response.

Likewise.

My letter, with some content borrowed from the above:

jep said:

Adam Price, MP for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr.

Dear Mr Price,

Firstly, may I express my thanks for your reply to my first correspondence to you on the Severn Bridge tolls. Whilst the answer from the Severn Crossings management company wasn't what I hoped for, your consideration in the matter was appreciated.

I am now writing to express my deep concerns at the UK e-borders scheme requiring all travellers to log travel details in advance of travelling.

As both a frequent business traveller and someone who enjoys travelling for pleasure, I am appalled and outraged at the aforementioned Government scheme to ask for, track and store my travel plans for up to 10 years.

From what I am lead to believe, this intrusion on my privacy AND the underlying intimation that I am no longer an innocent and trusted citizen of my own country, will mean that should I choose to take a last minute business trip, holiday, or a spontaneous day trip for my family, (by car, plane, train or indeed my own boat), and NOT electronically inform the Government of my exact plans, locations and duration at least 24 hours in advance, I will be fined. In principle at the very least, this is morally wrong, even without an unacceptable cost of £5,000 attached to it.

Does this government really believe that someone who sets out to perform terrorist activities will accurately set out to fill this in, if at all?! No, it is the innocent citizen who will have to fill it in, and pay the fine should they choose not to. It despairs me, that this country is very rapidly heading towards one of the most authoritarian, dictatorial and un-democratic regimes the 21st Century has seen.

I would like to offer these words to you in support of my feelings towards this proposed scheme.

"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." ~Abraham Lincoln

"Nations grown corrupt
Love bondage more than liberty;
Bondage with ease than strenuous liberty."
~John Milton

"Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of liberty is a history of resistance." ~Woodrow Wilson

and perhaps most telling:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

I would be grateful if you could let me know your thoughts about this scheme.

With many thanks in advance, and best regards.

Yours sincerely,

jep

Please see the below links for further comments on this abhorrent misuse of Government power.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4987415/All...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnist...

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/may/uk-pnr-sem...

We'll see what comes back...

[thinfourth2]

Corpulent Tosser said:

HRG said:

www.writetothem.com

Don't winge about it on here, fking do something about it and contact your MP

Done.

I await his response.

Seeing as he is lib dem not much he can do is there however

[Mr POD]

Arklight said:

Wouldn't it be nice if they spent as much time and money regulating and checking people coming into this country.

It'd be better if they spent time being honest about their own motives for being MP's

[Famous Graham]

Berserker LM said:

Thinking of going to France soon, just for a giggle! In a Corvette! (Oh bugger, they,ve got left/right booths haven't they! Any other ideas?

Erm...is your 'vette a rare RHD one then?

[Nadyenka]

The UK is such good Country.But why does it Government have such stupid ideas.This will not work and you have idiot in charge.

Edited by Nadyenka on Thursday 26th March 18:25

[chris.mapey]

Update:

Just received a letter in reply to my email.

Letter from Rt Hon John Gummer MP said:

"Thank you for your email about e-borders. I shall write to the Home Secretary to highlight your concerns and will be in touch when I have received a response. I must warn you that some ministers are taking several weeks to answer letters, but I will be pressing for a swift reply.

Yours sincerely"

I look forward to hearing what the Home Secretary's views will be...

Yours, not holding his breath...

Chris