Ryanair Cancellations

[valiant]

Sheepshanks said:

700 is about 17%. Is that so terrible? Apparently 30% of car salesmen quit every year.

If they can't be immediately replaced then it is a problem as we are seeing here. This is one company, 17% turnover in one grade is huge, especially in such a specialised role.

Seems to me that RY specialise in taking new pilots looking for their first role who leave once they gain enough experience for a proper airline. Seems that this pool of pilots is dwindling as newer airlines like the likes of Norwegian are hoovering them up. Thing about pilots, especially new ones, is that they will move world-wide to get a decent gig. Seems RA's chickens are coming home to roost.

[anonymous-user]

Robertj21a said:

I use Easyjet as well for different destinations but I do wish they'd get their timekeeping better (seems to be improving, slowly).

Better late than never?

[DamienB]

So said:

threespires said:

I went on a Ryanair flight in January, awful service and an unsafe plane means I'll never ever fly with them again.

What was unsafe about the plane, out of interest?

Haven't flown with them since 2009. Watching out the window we rotated literally a split second before the piano keys at the far end of the runway flashed under the wing - no margin for error whatsoever. And when my window suddenly cracked (outer pane), brought it to the cabin crew's attention and without bothering to inform the flight crew the moody cow just said it was no problem and not to worry about it. I did. Right until the final descent into Stansted more than two hours later. I would rather walk than fly with them. They've had a few near misses since; but I doubt the share price will suffer until O'Leary kills a couple of hundred people.

[Driver101]

Gary C said:

Sheepshanks said:

Sa Calobra said:

700 pilots quit in the last financial year.

Wow. I wouldn't do business with someone who treats their staff badly. I don't care if it's 'cheap'.

700 is about 17%. Is that so terrible? Apparently 30% of car salesmen quit every year.

I want my pilots to be thinking about the job, not be pissed off.

In my industry, most staff in similar jobs to a pilot tend to do 30 years with us. I think most people are happy we keep our minds on the job.

I'm sure anyone taking the control of a plane isn't going to be distracted too much.

Ryanair will pull through this and be fine. Their cheap prices and availability of flights makes them the first choice for many.

Paying cheap prices means their staff won't be the highest paid. I'm sure people don't really care. It's the same for everything else in life.

[Gary C]

Driver101 said:

I'm sure anyone taking the control of a plane isn't going to be distracted too much.

Ryanair will pull through this and be fine. Their cheap prices and availability of flights makes them the first choice for many.

Paying cheap prices means their staff won't be the highest paid. I'm sure people don't really care. It's the same for everything else in life.

Your probably right. I can't see them going anywhere.

Edited by Gary C on Friday 22 September 06:25

[Doofus]

O'Leary has said, more than once, in interviews that his planes are full of people who swore they'd never fly Ryanair again. So he absolutely does not give a st about his customers, and he knows he doesn't have to.

[Robertj21a]

Doofus said:

O'Leary has said, more than once, in interviews that his planes are full of people who swore they'd never fly Ryanair again. So he absolutely does not give a st about his customers, and he knows he doesn't have to.

Agreed. I'll fly Ryanair anyway but mainly because they fly where I want to go to/from. The cost is a secondary issue.

[Pothole]

threespires said:

Doofus said:

I'm not sure that makes the whole 'plane "unsafe". Other than in a sudden loss of altitude, I can't think of any occasion when a lap belt will provide any significant protection for an aircraft passenger. There's a reason that cars don't have them any longer.

We went through all this on my original thread and I'm not going to search to find it.
Suffice to say, many gave reasons as to why an unsafe seat belt is undesirable.

I think we almost all agree to some extent that an unsafe seat belt is undesirable.

Would you also agree that one unsafe seat belt does not equal "an unsafe plane"? It appears to have been safe enough to return you to the bosom of PH, fully capable of spouting exaggerated drivel, after all.

[anonymous-user]

[RC1807]

El stovey said:

[Sa Calobra]

Sheepshanks said:

700 is about 17%. Is that so terrible? Apparently 30% of car salesmen quit every year.

Its not a big problem if there's a high turnover in sales. It's unskilled and poor conditions.

It's a problem if pilots are leaving. It makes you wonder what else is being skipped/corners cut.

I once knew a coach driver who worked for a big national company and he said regularly they were pressured to work over regulation hours and he almost fell asleep numerous times so he quit. His colleagues had to drive over hours yet this company has a squeeky clean record in the press etc.

[Stedman]

Sheepshanks said:

Sa Calobra said:

700 pilots quit in the last financial year.

Wow. I wouldn't do business with someone who treats their staff badly. I don't care if it's 'cheap'.

700 is about 17%. Is that so terrible? Apparently 30% of car salesmen quit every year.

Yes - it is terrible.

[Sheepshanks]

valiant said:

17% turnover in one grade is huge,

I don't know how many pilot grades there are, but there must be a least two.

Even if 17% was consistent, it would mean the average pilot stayed nearly 6 yrs. Surely for an airline that is obviously going to be considered as a career stepping-stone (as someone pointed out earlier) that's not bad?

[Robertj21a]

Sheepshanks said:

I don't know how many pilot grades there are, but there must be a least two.

Even if 17% was consistent, it would mean the average pilot stayed nearly 6 yrs. Surely for an airline that is obviously going to be considered as a career stepping-stone (as someone pointed out earlier) that's not bad?

I was actually thinking 17% was quite good, and lower than I'd expected.

[anonymous-user]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Stedman said:

Sheepshanks said:

Sa Calobra said:

700 pilots quit in the last financial year.

Wow. I wouldn't do business with someone who treats their staff badly. I don't care if it's 'cheap'.

700 is about 17%. Is that so terrible? Apparently 30% of car salesmen quit every year.

Yes - it is terrible.

Sounds ok to me. As someone else mentioned ,it means an average RA pilot is in the job for about 6yrs. Considering RA will be used by the overwhelming majority as a career move/stepping stone, it's about what you would reasonably expect.

It seems to only be reasonable to people who don’t work in an airline. It’s a massive amount of employees. It’s clearly beyond even what Ryanair expect.

This number is going to get even bigger as many airlines are recruiting and training over winter to have pilots in place for the summer season, I know 100% that many UK airlines have recruited loads more Ryanair pilots who haven’t left yet.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 22 September 19:32

[Sa Calobra]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Sounds ok to me. As someone else mentioned ,it means an average RA pilot is in the job for about 6yrs. Considering RA will be used by the overwhelming majority as a career move/stepping stone, it's about what you would reasonably expect.

That's assuming a pilot stays at RA for anywhere near 6yrs. The turnover could be 6months, year, two etc.

[anonymous-user]

Surely the pilots being independent contractors they can work elsewhere anyway?

[So]

http://newsthump.com/2017/09/23/ryanair-asks-uber-...

[anonymous-user]

So said:

http://newsthump.com/2017/09/23/ryanair-asks-uber-...

[Mandat]

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