Ryanair Cancellations
Discussion
Robertj21a said:
El stovey said:
Most airlines haven’t been doing much recruiting for the last few years that’s why most of the newly qualified pilots are going to Ryanair. As soon as they get enough experience most move on to better airlines.
Ryanair pilots then get promoted to captain with the minimum experience levels, their workforce is much more inexperienced than anyone else’s,
Sorry, but that really doesn't make much sense.:-Ryanair pilots then get promoted to captain with the minimum experience levels, their workforce is much more inexperienced than anyone else’s,
'Most airlines haven't been doing much recruiting for the last few years......' and then '....newly qualified pilots are going to Ryanair. As soon as they get enough experience most move on to better airlines'. How do they move on if other airlines aren't doing much recruiting ?
With the vast number of pilots with Ryanair I would guess they are an obvious source of recruits for all other airlines - when they are recruiting.
The turnover of pilots has been quoted at 17% - or roughly 6 years. That doesn't, to me, sound like a major lack of experience.
I know plenty of Ryanair and ex Ryanair pilots sons of my friends fly for them also. Although it doesn’t sound to you that they are an inexperienced airline, there is no doubt they are a very inexperienced airline.
El stovey said:
I know plenty of Ryanair and ex Ryanair pilots sons of my friends fly for them also. Although it doesn’t sound to you that they are an inexperienced airline, there is no doubt they are a very inexperienced airline.
They are not an inexperienced airline. They are about as experienced as it gets.El stovey said:
Most airlines haven’t been doing much recruiting of newly qualified pilots. Many airlines particularly in the Middle East are still recruiting pilots with a bit more experience.
I know plenty of Ryanair and ex Ryanair pilots sons of my friends fly for them also. Although it doesn’t sound to you that they are an inexperienced airline, there is no doubt they are a very inexperienced airline.
You will forgive me if I take that with a pinch of salt. While I'm sure we all recognise lengthy experience in any demanding role, I also recognise newer, fresher, talent. I know plenty of Ryanair and ex Ryanair pilots sons of my friends fly for them also. Although it doesn’t sound to you that they are an inexperienced airline, there is no doubt they are a very inexperienced airline.
After at least 100 Ryanair flights with no problems, good landings etc, I have to recall both BA and Easyjet giving me cause for concern.
I appreciate that some on here are anxious to heap scorn on any airline that is successful (a British trait) but I'd really prefer hard facts to what might be interpreted as sour grapes.
Robertj21a said:
El stovey said:
Most airlines haven’t been doing much recruiting of newly qualified pilots. Many airlines particularly in the Middle East are still recruiting pilots with a bit more experience.
I know plenty of Ryanair and ex Ryanair pilots sons of my friends fly for them also. Although it doesn’t sound to you that they are an inexperienced airline, there is no doubt they are a very inexperienced airline.
You will forgive me if I take that with a pinch of salt. While I'm sure we all recognise lengthy experience in any demanding role, I also recognise newer, fresher, talent. I know plenty of Ryanair and ex Ryanair pilots sons of my friends fly for them also. Although it doesn’t sound to you that they are an inexperienced airline, there is no doubt they are a very inexperienced airline.
After at least 100 Ryanair flights with no problems, good landings etc, I have to recall both BA and Easyjet giving me cause for concern.
I appreciate that some on here are anxious to heap scorn on any airline that is successful (a British trait) but I'd really prefer hard facts to what might be interpreted as sour grapes.
I’m afraid you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
What exactly do you think is the advantage in an airline of having newer fresher talent apart from cost? I’ve been involved in pilot training and I can assure you there is virtually no advantage in having less experienced pilots.
I’m unsure why you’re constantly adopting a contrary position where it it is quite clear you’re just blagging.
El stovey said:
You are basing your facts on a few soft touchdowns. I landed the other night it was too far down the runway and off to the side the touchdown was very smooth though, it was a rubbish landing. Passengers were all congratulated me as they were getting off the aircraft.
I’m afraid you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
What exactly do you think is the advantage in an airline of having newer fresher talent apart from cost? I’ve been involved in pilot training and I can assure you there is virtually no advantage in having less experienced pilots.
I’m unsure why you’re constantly adopting a contrary position where it it is quite clear you’re just blagging.
Despite knowing nothing about aviation, I agree!I’m afraid you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
What exactly do you think is the advantage in an airline of having newer fresher talent apart from cost? I’ve been involved in pilot training and I can assure you there is virtually no advantage in having less experienced pilots.
I’m unsure why you’re constantly adopting a contrary position where it it is quite clear you’re just blagging.
Whilst I can see that maybe something like racing driving, athletics or even fighter-piloting might benefit from young, 'hungry' talent, I'm pretty certain that safely getting a whole plane load of passengers from here to there with minimal fuss and drama is best accomplished with an experienced pair of hands. You're only going to get better at it over time, aren't you?
I'd also guess (and interested to hear either way) that the benefits of youth (fast reactions etc) are probably a lot less important than knowledge and experience - knowing how it all works, having experienced x, y or z before and learned what is the most effective solution and so on?
El stovey said:
You are basing your facts on a few soft touchdowns. I landed the other night it was too far down the runway and off to the side the touchdown was very smooth though, it was a rubbish landing. Passengers were all congratulated me as they were getting off the aircraft.
I’m afraid you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
What exactly do you think is the advantage in an airline of having newer fresher talent apart from cost? I’ve been involved in pilot training and I can assure you there is virtually no advantage in having less experienced pilots.
I’m unsure why you’re constantly adopting a contrary position where it it is quite clear you’re just blagging.
There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, there are no old, bold pilots.I’m afraid you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
What exactly do you think is the advantage in an airline of having newer fresher talent apart from cost? I’ve been involved in pilot training and I can assure you there is virtually no advantage in having less experienced pilots.
I’m unsure why you’re constantly adopting a contrary position where it it is quite clear you’re just blagging.
mikal83 said:
I love posts like these and on the trump/KIJ threads. The poster either starts with a ....whilst I have no experience of......OR ends with....but then again I don't really know etc. Why oh why do you bother to post a reply when you don't have a feckin clue what you're yacking about.
I was asking a question.El stovey said:
You are basing your facts on a few soft touchdowns. I landed the other night it was too far down the runway and off to the side the touchdown was very smooth though, it was a rubbish landing. Passengers were all congratulated me as they were getting off the aircraft.
I’m afraid you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
What exactly do you think is the advantage in an airline of having newer fresher talent apart from cost? I’ve been involved in pilot training and I can assure you there is virtually no advantage in having less experienced pilots.
I’m unsure why you’re constantly adopting a contrary position where it it is quite clear you’re just blagging.
Perhaps you should read the post above yours from the ATC point of view.I’m afraid you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
What exactly do you think is the advantage in an airline of having newer fresher talent apart from cost? I’ve been involved in pilot training and I can assure you there is virtually no advantage in having less experienced pilots.
I’m unsure why you’re constantly adopting a contrary position where it it is quite clear you’re just blagging.
I appreciate that you are keen to tell all of us how skilled and knowledgeable you are but the general public may also be swayed by the size of Ryanair's operations, the years they've now been flying, the volume of landings - and the lack of serious incidents.
I am sure that others can quote certain airlines with far worse records.
Robertj21a said:
El stovey said:
You are basing your facts on a few soft touchdowns. I landed the other night it was too far down the runway and off to the side the touchdown was very smooth though, it was a rubbish landing. Passengers were all congratulated me as they were getting off the aircraft.
I’m afraid you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
What exactly do you think is the advantage in an airline of having newer fresher talent apart from cost? I’ve been involved in pilot training and I can assure you there is virtually no advantage in having less experienced pilots.
I’m unsure why you’re constantly adopting a contrary position where it it is quite clear you’re just blagging.
Perhaps you should read the post above yours from the ATC point of view.I’m afraid you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
What exactly do you think is the advantage in an airline of having newer fresher talent apart from cost? I’ve been involved in pilot training and I can assure you there is virtually no advantage in having less experienced pilots.
I’m unsure why you’re constantly adopting a contrary position where it it is quite clear you’re just blagging.
I appreciate that you are keen to tell all of us how skilled and knowledgeable you are but the general public may also be swayed by the size of Ryanair's operations, the years they've now been flying, the volume of landings - and the lack of serious incidents.
I am sure that others can quote certain airlines with far worse records.
whoami said:
Yes, they seem to be really in the s
t, and I don't think we've got anywhere near the truth from them yet. The Spruce goose said:
REALIST123 said:
Yes, they seem to be really in the st, and I don't think we've got anywhere near the truth from them yet.
i said this at start this could be the death sentence for RA. They are taking the piss I know I would never book them now and i used them 5 times last year.t, and I don't think we've got anywhere near the truth from them yet. valiant said:
The Spruce goose said:
REALIST123 said:
Yes, they seem to be really in the st, and I don't think we've got anywhere near the truth from them yet.
i said this at start this could be the death sentence for RA. They are taking the piss I know I would never book them now and i used them 5 times last year.t, and I don't think we've got anywhere near the truth from them yet. HTP99 said:
There was a guy on the radio earlier tonight who worked for some high end travel agent, he didn't think it would affect Ryanair, he was saying at that end of the market it's always about price, people would still use them and they will come out of it ok.
Not even price, market penetration. We live a cab ride from luton/stanstead but none of the london airports are too difficult, so tend to book on convenience ie who flies direct at the time we prefer, of our last 10 flights within europe 9 were ryanair.Would normally say they'll weather it and they probably will but talking around they really have pissed people off this time, moreso than the usual budget airline moan. But most people wont go out of their way to prove a point.
The Spruce goose said:
i said this at start this could be the death sentence for RA. They are taking the piss I know I would never book them now and i used them 5 times last year.
It kinda feels like the earlier wave of cancellations was reactive and this second wave of suspending routes and taking planes out of the air is a bit more proactive.Not much comfort if it's your flight that's now binned, but does feel different from the outside looking in.
I think they will weather it ok if this second wave of cancellations sorts their logistics problems out. They're running a good promotion at the moment and I think a lot of people will take the view that they can come out on top if they book now.
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