Summer Holidays 2021

[PF62]

kiethton said:

GT03ROB said:

kiethton said:

I assume that you can just break-up any flight/trip to come back via an "ok" place, on 2 bookings so you get a new boarding pass within the connections part of the airport and swerve this nonsense? As per the last page, we're looking at booking South Africa flights this week, although not planning to fly for another 11 months...

Not if they word it correctly you can't.

...and of course 2 bookings would require you to go landside, so you may have issues in your transit point, and of course border control may start looking carefully at the stamps in your passport to see where you have been & when....... or you could just stick to the rules....

.... hopefully they might also start tightening up on allowing people to leave the country too, so now prove your travel is "essential".....

Indeed, does depend on the wording but if the gap between separately booked flights is a few hours its as simple as checking in again - some airports don't even need you to go land-side.....

Stupid restrictions deserve to be circumvented.

Presumably you are advocating restrictions which cannot be circumvented by people being tts.

Thus quarantine for everyone, no matter where they are coming from, and no matter what they are doing in the UK.

But is that enough? No, there is still the possibility that someone could circumvent those "stupid restrictions" so the only way is to close all the airports and ports until the end of 2021 and let nothing in or out of the country for any reason.

Satisfied now?

[kiethton]

The Leaper said:

kiethton said:

Indeed, does depend on the wording but if the gap between separately booked flights is a few hours its as simple as checking in again - some airports don't even need you to go land-side.....

Stupid restrictions deserve to be circumvented.

Stupid post too. What's the point in what you have said without saying what you think should be in place? Or do you think there should be no restrictions at all because any restrictions would not suit you?

R.

Have said from the beginning, the restrictions harm more people than they "save" - they shouldn't be in place at all - its not just personal.

If there is a loophole to play, play it.

[Jaguar steve]

Vasco said:

The Leaper said:

kiethton said:

Indeed, does depend on the wording but if the gap between separately booked flights is a few hours its as simple as checking in again - some airports don't even need you to go land-side.....

Stupid restrictions deserve to be circumvented.

Stupid post too. What's the point in what you have said without saying what you think should be in place? Or do you think there should be no restrictions at all because any restrictions would not suit you?

R.

Isn't this the same idiot who always posts inflammatory messages highlighting how he is so clever at circumventing anything designed to help other people ?

Such posters are clearly demonstrating they're either ignorant enough not to understand the need for restrictions or sufficiently arrogant enough to believe the restrictions don't apply to them.

Ignorance and arrogance - Covid has proved there's a lot of both in rather too many.

[Canute]

kiethton said:

The Leaper said:

kiethton said:

Indeed, does depend on the wording but if the gap between separately booked flights is a few hours its as simple as checking in again - some airports don't even need you to go land-side.....

Stupid restrictions deserve to be circumvented.

Stupid post too. What's the point in what you have said without saying what you think should be in place? Or do you think there should be no restrictions at all because any restrictions would not suit you?

R.

Have said from the beginning, the restrictions harm more people than they "save" - they shouldn't be in place at all - its not just personal.

If there is a loophole to play, play it.

Mindless and selfish.

[galtezza]

Canute said:

kiethton said:

The Leaper said:

kiethton said:

Indeed, does depend on the wording but if the gap between separately booked flights is a few hours its as simple as checking in again - some airports don't even need you to go land-side.....

Stupid restrictions deserve to be circumvented.

Stupid post too. What's the point in what you have said without saying what you think should be in place? Or do you think there should be no restrictions at all because any restrictions would not suit you?

R.

Have said from the beginning, the restrictions harm more people than they "save" - they shouldn't be in place at all - its not just personal.

If there is a loophole to play, play it.

Mindless and selfish.

Probably not mindless but certainly selfish.

people will start to discover through this journey how selfish they and others truly are, the closer to self survival we get & societies structure breaks down you’ll start to see more and more of it as we get closer to our primal needs. Being kind is a luxury the modern world permits while we receive all its other luxuries, remove freedom of movement and the ability to spend and watch a huge chunk of kindness disappear i’m afraid.

Particularly hard for doctors, nurses etc as they watch humanity turn on itself.

[survivalist]

Jaguar steve said:

Vasco said:

The Leaper said:

kiethton said:

Indeed, does depend on the wording but if the gap between separately booked flights is a few hours its as simple as checking in again - some airports don't even need you to go land-side.....

Stupid restrictions deserve to be circumvented.

Stupid post too. What's the point in what you have said without saying what you think should be in place? Or do you think there should be no restrictions at all because any restrictions would not suit you?

R.

Isn't this the same idiot who always posts inflammatory messages highlighting how he is so clever at circumventing anything designed to help other people ?

Such posters are clearly demonstrating they're either ignorant enough not to understand the need for restrictions or sufficiently arrogant enough to believe the restrictions don't apply to them.

Ignorance and arrogance - Covid has proved there's a lot of both in rather too many.

"Ignorance and arrogance" sounds to me like a bunch of politicians and pseudo-scientists thinking they can control a virus that is now endemic in most nations. All covid is "proving" is how people like to feel safe, even if reason and logic show that it's an illusion.

Anyhoo, back on topic. Seems like they are back to needing a "valid reason". No idea if this is backed by legislation (as it's Priti Patel announcing it I'd assume not), but luckily I have family in a number of EU and non-EU nations that will be grateful of my essential support this spring summer.

[GT03ROB]

survivalist said:

Anyhoo, back on topic. Seems like they are back to needing a "valid reason". No idea if this is backed by legislation (as it's Priti Patel announcing it I'd assume not), but luckily I have family in a number of EU and non-EU nations that will be grateful of my essential support this spring summer.

This has always been the case whilst travel was constrained..... they just didn't bother. If the price for not having mandatory hotel quarantine is a strict application of a non-essential travel ban (backed by legislation & a strict definition of what travel is allowed) then so be it.

I'm not necessarily in favour of any travel bans, but there is no way the government are not going to do something. If the price is leisure travel so be it.

[Sahjahd]

survivalist said:

"Ignorance and arrogance" sounds to me like a bunch of politicians and pseudo-scientists thinking they can control a virus that is now endemic in most nations. All covid is "proving" is how people like to feel safe, even if reason and logic show that it's an illusion.

Anyhoo, back on topic. Seems like they are back to needing a "valid reason". No idea if this is backed by legislation (as it's Priti Patel announcing it I'd assume not), but luckily I have family in a number of EU and non-EU nations that will be grateful of my essential support this spring summer.

Is supporting family overseas considered a valid reason by the government Gestapo? My wife is frantic not having seen any of her biological family for more than a year; her 83 year old grandmother is poorly, like many of her age, her mother and well loved stepfather are not in the best of health, and my worry is that any or all of them could die without my wife having seen them for ages, or even being able to attend funeral(s). She is already at her wits end over this, and I am worried both for her sanity, and about how her family are coping. If she can claim a trip as essential, would I be able to accompany her?

[hotchy]

Sahjahd said:

survivalist said:

"Ignorance and arrogance" sounds to me like a bunch of politicians and pseudo-scientists thinking they can control a virus that is now endemic in most nations. All covid is "proving" is how people like to feel safe, even if reason and logic show that it's an illusion.

Anyhoo, back on topic. Seems like they are back to needing a "valid reason". No idea if this is backed by legislation (as it's Priti Patel announcing it I'd assume not), but luckily I have family in a number of EU and non-EU nations that will be grateful of my essential support this spring summer.

Is supporting family overseas considered a valid reason by the government Gestapo? My wife is frantic not having seen any of her biological family for more than a year; her 83 year old grandmother is poorly, like many of her age, her mother and well loved stepfather are not in the best of health, and my worry is that any or all of them could die without my wife having seen them for ages, or even being able to attend funeral(s). She is already at her wits end over this, and I am worried both for her sanity, and about how her family are coping. If she can claim a trip as essential, would I be able to accompany her?

Yes. Your married, its your family too.

Scotlands going to get even worse blanket rules for all travel, so I'll be flying from England. Shocking I know. Tut tut.

[survivalist]

hotchy said:

Sahjahd said:

survivalist said:

"Ignorance and arrogance" sounds to me like a bunch of politicians and pseudo-scientists thinking they can control a virus that is now endemic in most nations. All covid is "proving" is how people like to feel safe, even if reason and logic show that it's an illusion.

Anyhoo, back on topic. Seems like they are back to needing a "valid reason". No idea if this is backed by legislation (as it's Priti Patel announcing it I'd assume not), but luckily I have family in a number of EU and non-EU nations that will be grateful of my essential support this spring summer.

Is supporting family overseas considered a valid reason by the government Gestapo? My wife is frantic not having seen any of her biological family for more than a year; her 83 year old grandmother is poorly, like many of her age, her mother and well loved stepfather are not in the best of health, and my worry is that any or all of them could die without my wife having seen them for ages, or even being able to attend funeral(s). She is already at her wits end over this, and I am worried both for her sanity, and about how her family are coping. If she can claim a trip as essential, would I be able to accompany her?

Yes. Your married, its your family too.

Scotlands going to get even worse blanket rules for all travel, so I'll be flying from England. Shocking I know. Tut tut.

Indeed. Barring other issues (schooling, availability of flights etc) you can go now. Expect to be tested before you leave and, depending on the country, on arrival. Despite what the media portray, it is possible to travel.

[Sahjahd]

Thanks gents.

[drdino]

How does this "declaring" of the reason for travel actually work? Will they (airlines?) have a form you need to fill in and sign or is it a verbal declaration?

[Vasco]

drdino said:

How does this "declaring" of the reason for travel actually work? Will they (airlines?) have a form you need to fill in and sign or is it a verbal declaration?

I think they've said that there will be forms that need to be completed, and possibly sample checked.

[GT03ROB]

Vasco said:

drdino said:

How does this "declaring" of the reason for travel actually work? Will they (airlines?) have a form you need to fill in and sign or is it a verbal declaration?

I think they've said that there will be forms that need to be completed, and possibly sample checked.

The airlines will never be able to verify it.

[loafer123]

GT03ROB said:

Vasco said:

drdino said:

How does this "declaring" of the reason for travel actually work? Will they (airlines?) have a form you need to fill in and sign or is it a verbal declaration?

I think they've said that there will be forms that need to be completed, and possibly sample checked.

The airlines will never be able to verify it.

The Border Force will be doing the validating alongside the airlines according to the Telegraph.

[vaud]

blueg33 said:

I have a holiday cottage in Devon about to be advertised once the renovations are complete. The managing agency say that demand is at levels they haven't seen with most places booked from April through to November with the average stay being longer

Seems like many people are choosing to stay in the UK, less risk of cancellation or quarantine.

Had planned to go to France. Too high a risk of needing outbound tests, inbound tests and quarantine. Could see that tests alone could add £1k to the holiday.

So 2 weeks in Norfolk instead near to Holkham, a perfect beach for social distancing (it's massive)

[Vasco]

loafer123 said:

GT03ROB said:

Vasco said:

drdino said:

How does this "declaring" of the reason for travel actually work? Will they (airlines?) have a form you need to fill in and sign or is it a verbal declaration?

I think they've said that there will be forms that need to be completed, and possibly sample checked.

The airlines will never be able to verify it.

The Border Force will be doing the validating alongside the airlines according to the Telegraph.

Yes, I understood that the Border Force will play a key, proactive, role in future.

[Pete102]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out re. Border Force. If their performance with with the Passenger Locator Forms is anything to go by, I wouldn't hold my breath. In over 10 trips I was asked twice, and the form was never checked.

The most proactive thing I saw happening was coming back on Eurostar, checks to ensure it was completed before, and then after the trip.

[GT03ROB]

loafer123 said:

GT03ROB said:

Vasco said:

drdino said:

How does this "declaring" of the reason for travel actually work? Will they (airlines?) have a form you need to fill in and sign or is it a verbal declaration?

I think they've said that there will be forms that need to be completed, and possibly sample checked.

The airlines will never be able to verify it.

The Border Force will be doing the validating alongside the airlines according to the Telegraph.

They haven't got enough staff to let people in never mind let them out!

[Vasco]

GT03ROB said:

loafer123 said:

GT03ROB said:

Vasco said:

drdino said:

How does this "declaring" of the reason for travel actually work? Will they (airlines?) have a form you need to fill in and sign or is it a verbal declaration?

I think they've said that there will be forms that need to be completed, and possibly sample checked.

The airlines will never be able to verify it.

The Border Force will be doing the validating alongside the airlines according to the Telegraph.

They haven't got enough staff to let people in never mind let them out!

Presumably no reason why they can't transfer staff from other areas, or call in agency/security staff for a while.