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Manks said:
I am very happy that Ryanair exists; it gives people a choice. If they don't want to pay the price for full-service airlines they they need not. However, people have become so conditioned to expect air travel to be fun, exciting and luxurious that they become indignant when what they get is an airborne bus journey, never mind that they paid less for their ticket than they did for their lunch.
I fully understand and support your view, but....... air travel has always seemed glamourous and luxurious. Ever since airships and the Pan Am Clippers. The whole point of air travel was that it was expensive and you were treated as someone 'special' because you were travelling by air rather than train or sea. Since the inception of package holidays, air travel has been descending into bus travel in the air. This is the business model and concept of Ryanair. Nothing wrong with it, clearly it works. The problem comes when O'Leary insists on rubbing your nose in it. There is a perception that you are no better than cargo, except you need to breathe. If O'Leary at least came across as offering a service that wasn't so obviously condescending and cheap in it's appearance, he would probably get less grief.Deva Link said:
He should stop doing it then, your posts come across as sycophantic and are keeping the slagging-off of RyanAir running.
Personally, I don't like flying Ryanair because it's generally a pretty unpleasant travel experience. Easyjet are miles ahead on quality and a much friendlier carrier to fly with. However, people who slag off Ryanair for a poor safety record, or because they choose to use regional airports, are way off the mark.
Ironic really that there are so many haters, you'd think it's a classic PH business model. Mock the whingers, focus on a simple business model, make oodles of cash.
The bit I particularly hate about Ryanair is the intended deceptions scattered all the way through any dealings with them.
As some of their apologists on here have declared, if you know what you are doing it is good value, well why should someone have to be aware of all their attempted scams before they book a flight?
It's an awful business model and I hate it, in my book customers are to be cherished not ripped off, confused, taken advantage of whilst at their most vulnerable. Being charged to do absolutely normal things.
No, I hate that man and I hate his airline. In another day he would have worked on a coconut shy.
His staff are not much better either, how he takes humans and transforms them into his mini-beasts I shall never know.
As some of their apologists on here have declared, if you know what you are doing it is good value, well why should someone have to be aware of all their attempted scams before they book a flight?
It's an awful business model and I hate it, in my book customers are to be cherished not ripped off, confused, taken advantage of whilst at their most vulnerable. Being charged to do absolutely normal things.
No, I hate that man and I hate his airline. In another day he would have worked on a coconut shy.
His staff are not much better either, how he takes humans and transforms them into his mini-beasts I shall never know.
Art0ir said:
I've seen cabin staff look genuinely offended when I put my earphones in (long after take off) and completely ignore the "Sir... sir... tea sir... sir... SIR".
Last week, an hour out of Tenerife, the pilot announced yet another trip down the aisle for the cabin crew and their trolley. I overheard one steward whisper (gay as May voice) "Let's just say f
k all, they're all asleep anyway" The round trip back to the galley took about a minute.Tyre Smoke said:
Manks said:
I am very happy that Ryanair exists; it gives people a choice. If they don't want to pay the price for full-service airlines they they need not. However, people have become so conditioned to expect air travel to be fun, exciting and luxurious that they become indignant when what they get is an airborne bus journey, never mind that they paid less for their ticket than they did for their lunch.
I fully understand and support your view, but....... air travel has always seemed glamourous and luxurious. Ever since airships and the Pan Am Clippers. The whole point of air travel was that it was expensive and you were treated as someone 'special' because you were travelling by air rather than train or sea. Since the inception of package holidays, air travel has been descending into bus travel in the air. This is the business model and concept of Ryanair. Nothing wrong with it, clearly it works. The problem comes when O'Leary insists on rubbing your nose in it. There is a perception that you are no better than cargo, except you need to breathe. If O'Leary at least came across as offering a service that wasn't so obviously condescending and cheap in it's appearance, he would probably get less grief.Ryanair's bookings INCREASE every time the newspapers mention the latest Ryanair scheme to take money from passengers. If it works, why not keep doing it?
Manks said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Manks said:
I am very happy that Ryanair exists; it gives people a choice. If they don't want to pay the price for full-service airlines they they need not. However, people have become so conditioned to expect air travel to be fun, exciting and luxurious that they become indignant when what they get is an airborne bus journey, never mind that they paid less for their ticket than they did for their lunch.
I fully understand and support your view, but....... air travel has always seemed glamourous and luxurious. Ever since airships and the Pan Am Clippers. The whole point of air travel was that it was expensive and you were treated as someone 'special' because you were travelling by air rather than train or sea. Since the inception of package holidays, air travel has been descending into bus travel in the air. This is the business model and concept of Ryanair. Nothing wrong with it, clearly it works. The problem comes when O'Leary insists on rubbing your nose in it. There is a perception that you are no better than cargo, except you need to breathe. If O'Leary at least came across as offering a service that wasn't so obviously condescending and cheap in it's appearance, he would probably get less grief.Ryanair's bookings INCREASE every time the newspapers mention the latest Ryanair scheme
dazco said:
Manks said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Manks said:
I am very happy that Ryanair exists; it gives people a choice. If they don't want to pay the price for full-service airlines they they need not. However, people have become so conditioned to expect air travel to be fun, exciting and luxurious that they become indignant when what they get is an airborne bus journey, never mind that they paid less for their ticket than they did for their lunch.
I fully understand and support your view, but....... air travel has always seemed glamourous and luxurious. Ever since airships and the Pan Am Clippers. The whole point of air travel was that it was expensive and you were treated as someone 'special' because you were travelling by air rather than train or sea. Since the inception of package holidays, air travel has been descending into bus travel in the air. This is the business model and concept of Ryanair. Nothing wrong with it, clearly it works. The problem comes when O'Leary insists on rubbing your nose in it. There is a perception that you are no better than cargo, except you need to breathe. If O'Leary at least came across as offering a service that wasn't so obviously condescending and cheap in it's appearance, he would probably get less grief.Ryanair's bookings INCREASE every time the newspapers mention the latest Ryanair scheme
So a five year old report? Pre-vocanic ash and pre-global depression?
Any publicity is not going to harm a company that already thrives on it's cynical approach to it's customers. Their business model which works is to treat everyone with as much contempt as they can whilst trying to extract as much money as possible by fair means and foul. Not saying it doesn't work, just that I would rather not feather O'Leary's nest if I can help it.
Any publicity is not going to harm a company that already thrives on it's cynical approach to it's customers. Their business model which works is to treat everyone with as much contempt as they can whilst trying to extract as much money as possible by fair means and foul. Not saying it doesn't work, just that I would rather not feather O'Leary's nest if I can help it.
Tyre Smoke said:
So a five year old report? Pre-vocanic ash and pre-global depression?
Any publicity is not going to harm a company that already thrives on it's cynical approach to it's customers. Their business model which works is to treat everyone with as much contempt as they can whilst trying to extract as much money as possible by fair means and foul. Not saying it doesn't work, just that I would rather not feather O'Leary's nest if I can help it.
Six year old report.Any publicity is not going to harm a company that already thrives on it's cynical approach to it's customers. Their business model which works is to treat everyone with as much contempt as they can whilst trying to extract as much money as possible by fair means and foul. Not saying it doesn't work, just that I would rather not feather O'Leary's nest if I can help it.
I am beginning to think some people round here have agendas they are not being honest about.
Or they are incredibly confused with what most people are saying about Ryanair and can only hark on about the profit it makes. Which, ironically, is like saying 'this airline makes the most money out of me'.
dazco said:
Manks said:
Ryanair's bookings INCREASE every time the newspapers mention the latest Ryanair scheme
Really, do you have anything to support that?It gains free publicity and underlines and reinforces the basic 'no frills' & 'low cost' nature of the airline, which many of their target consumers associate with 'value'.
dazco said:
Tyre Smoke said:
So a five year old report? Pre-vocanic ash and pre-global depression?
Any publicity is not going to harm a company that already thrives on it's cynical approach to it's customers. Their business model which works is to treat everyone with as much contempt as they can whilst trying to extract as much money as possible by fair means and foul. Not saying it doesn't work, just that I would rather not feather O'Leary's nest if I can help it.
Six year old report.Any publicity is not going to harm a company that already thrives on it's cynical approach to it's customers. Their business model which works is to treat everyone with as much contempt as they can whilst trying to extract as much money as possible by fair means and foul. Not saying it doesn't work, just that I would rather not feather O'Leary's nest if I can help it.
I am beginning to think some people round here have agendas they are not being honest about.
Tyre Smoke said:
Is that aimed at me?
I personally don't like his ethics, or how he does business, but I can't deny that it works and works very well.
Don't think so.I personally don't like his ethics, or how he does business, but I can't deny that it works and works very well.
I think you would have to define 'works very well'.
It turns the man a profit, but it's the world's most hated airline. Is it working well?
audidoody said:
Amateurish said:
You are right, Luton is not in London. Ryanair is obviously the only airline flying out of Luton to refer to it as London-Luton.
They also fly to 'Toulon St Tropez' (actually Hyeres which is an hour's car drive, two-hour bus ride or €90-plus taxi to St Trop)Amateurish said:
You are right, Luton is not in London. Ryanair is obviously the only airline flying out of Luton to refer to it as London-Luton.
London Luton is the official name of the airport, as is London Gatwick and London Stanstead, each of them being quite a way outside London.Gassing Station | Holidays & Travel | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff