Driving to/through France from UK right now
Discussion
ScotHill said:
Am I right in thinking a French citizen, resident in the UK, is fine to go and visit family in France, and take their British citizen(s) family with them?
No - unless you're prepared to declare that your main residence is in France..... then worry about making exactly the opposite declaration for the return leg.https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/co...
Carbon Sasquatch said:
ScotHill said:
Am I right in thinking a French citizen, resident in the UK, is fine to go and visit family in France, and take their British citizen(s) family with them?
No - unless you're prepared to declare that your main residence is in France..... then worry about making exactly the opposite declaration for the return leg.https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/co...
"A compelling reason must be given for travel to or from the UK, for both unvaccinated and vaccinated persons. These reasons will not authorise travel for tourism or business reasons. However, these compelling reasons will not apply to French nationals and their spouses (married, civil union or concubine) and children, who will still be able to travel to France and rejoin their UK residence."
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/L-actu-du...
It's dated 8th December, but the blue box talks about Saturday at midnight, which is likely this Saturday.
So if I've read it right, essentially if you have a French passport nothing changes...
Edited by ScotHill on Friday 17th December 11:55
ScotHill said:
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/L-actu-du...
It's dated 8th December, but the blue box talks about Saturday at midnight, which is likely this Saturday.
So if I've read it right, essentially if you have a French passport nothing changes...
Fair point - there seem to be other pages saying the same thingIt's dated 8th December, but the blue box talks about Saturday at midnight, which is likely this Saturday.
So if I've read it right, essentially if you have a French passport nothing changes...
Confusion reigns..... best thing to do is check with your carrier.
ScotHill said:
Am I right in thinking a French citizen, resident in the UK, is fine to go and visit family in France, and take their British citizen(s) family with them?
Yes that's fine. They fall under "Ressortissant français, ainsi que son conjoint (marié, pacsé et concubin) et ses enfants."Amateurish said:
ScotHill said:
Am I right in thinking a French citizen, resident in the UK, is fine to go and visit family in France, and take their British citizen(s) family with them?
Yes that's fine. They fall under "Ressortissant français, ainsi que son conjoint (marié, pacsé et concubin) et ses enfants."ScotHill said:
That's good, I was just checking that a friend had got her calculations right - she's a French national, and has a British spouse and British children. The status of her concubine is unknown.
Don't forget the next 2 paragraphs which are also important, namely"On departure, vaccinated persons must present a negative test result (PCR or TAG) dated less than 24 hours, which amounts to aligning with the rules already in force for non-vaccinated persons.
Prior to their trip, all travellers from the UK shall be required to register on a digital platform allowing them to enter the address where they will be staying in France. This platform will be used to generate prefectural decrees requiring all travellers, whether unvaccinated or vaccinated, to be isolated in the place of their choice. This isolation obligation can be waived after 48 hours, subject to presentation of a negative test result (PCR or TAG)."
How you're going to obtain the release from oblation tests will be interesting - there isn't a French version of the DIY / observed tests acceptable to the govt for travel etc, they all have to be taken by a health care pro, usually at their bureau / pharmacy etc.
Rushjob said:
Don't forget the next 2 paragraphs which are also important, namely
"On departure, vaccinated persons must present a negative test result (PCR or TAG) dated less than 24 hours, which amounts to aligning with the rules already in force for non-vaccinated persons.
Prior to their trip, all travellers from the UK shall be required to register on a digital platform allowing them to enter the address where they will be staying in France. This platform will be used to generate prefectural decrees requiring all travellers, whether unvaccinated or vaccinated, to be isolated in the place of their choice. This isolation obligation can be waived after 48 hours, subject to presentation of a negative test result (PCR or TAG)."
How you're going to obtain the release from oblation tests will be interesting - there isn't a French version of the DIY / observed tests acceptable to the govt for travel etc, they all have to be taken by a health care pro, usually at their bureau / pharmacy etc.
Yeah they needed same-day results tests so £300. :-o I'm sure once they're there they'll work out where to get the relevant release tests."On departure, vaccinated persons must present a negative test result (PCR or TAG) dated less than 24 hours, which amounts to aligning with the rules already in force for non-vaccinated persons.
Prior to their trip, all travellers from the UK shall be required to register on a digital platform allowing them to enter the address where they will be staying in France. This platform will be used to generate prefectural decrees requiring all travellers, whether unvaccinated or vaccinated, to be isolated in the place of their choice. This isolation obligation can be waived after 48 hours, subject to presentation of a negative test result (PCR or TAG)."
How you're going to obtain the release from oblation tests will be interesting - there isn't a French version of the DIY / observed tests acceptable to the govt for travel etc, they all have to be taken by a health care pro, usually at their bureau / pharmacy etc.
Rushjob said:
How you're going to obtain the release from oblation tests will be interesting - there isn't a French version of the DIY / observed tests acceptable to the govt for travel etc, they all have to be taken by a health care pro, usually at their bureau / pharmacy etc.
The district nurse in my village comes to me to administer a TAG for €25, with the result in 15 minutes.(It’s acceptable to the government for travel)
If you google Covid testing in France with your postcode, a list shows facilities and types of tests performed in your area.
Edited by Shy Torque on Friday 17th December 21:26
Edited by Shy Torque on Friday 17th December 21:28
Looks like the rules have changed again..
I'd guess they were playing especially tuff at the border. Now families can be reunited.
Questionable whether this means you could transit through to get to Italy.
To further complicate, Mrs tommobot's Italian passport expired, and her Italian ID card experieed in the summer.
It would be especially harsh to be turned away just for this..
I'd guess they were playing especially tuff at the border. Now families can be reunited.
Questionable whether this means you could transit through to get to Italy.
To further complicate, Mrs tommobot's Italian passport expired, and her Italian ID card experieed in the summer.
It would be especially harsh to be turned away just for this..
tommobot said:
Looks like the rules have changed again..
I'd guess they were playing especially tuff at the border. Now families can be reunited.
Questionable whether this means you could transit through to get to Italy.
To further complicate, Mrs tommobot's Italian passport expired, and her Italian ID card experieed in the summer.
It would be especially harsh to be turned away just for this..
It isn't questionable, it's specifically referred to, as an Italian national she can transit France to Italy with her immediate family, so that's good. ( It's here in the second box down on the left of the English version of French Govt rules )I'd guess they were playing especially tuff at the border. Now families can be reunited.
Questionable whether this means you could transit through to get to Italy.
To further complicate, Mrs tommobot's Italian passport expired, and her Italian ID card experieed in the summer.
It would be especially harsh to be turned away just for this..
The only issue I can see is the fact that her Italian ID documents are out of date as you mention, I wouldn't like to bet either way on that one. Bonne chance!
Rushjob said:
It isn't questionable, it's specifically referred to, as an Italian national she can transit France to Italy with her immediate family, so that's good. ( It's here in the second box down on the left of the English version of French Govt rules )
The only issue I can see is the fact that her Italian ID documents are out of date as you mention, I wouldn't like to bet either way on that one. Bonne chance!
Unless I'm missing something obvious, the only thing slightly suggesting that says it's ok to travel through France is to main place of residence. I had a look in the form that you had to fill in on the French govt website, and it required full details, utility statements etc.. to prove this was a main residence / owned property.The only issue I can see is the fact that her Italian ID documents are out of date as you mention, I wouldn't like to bet either way on that one. Bonne chance!
At least that's how we interpted it
tommobot said:
Unless I'm missing something obvious, the only thing slightly suggesting that says it's ok to travel through France is to main place of residence. I had a look in the form that you had to fill in on the French govt website, and it required full details, utility statements etc.. to prove this was a main residence / owned property.
At least that's how we interpted it
You missed the bit at the endAt least that's how we interpted it
European Union nationals or equivalents, as well as their partners (spouses, civil partners or cohabiters) and children, with their main residence in France or transiting through France to their main residence in a European Union country or equivalent country, or the country of which they are nationals.
Rushjob said:
You missed the bit at the end
European Union nationals or equivalents, as well as their partners (spouses, civil partners or cohabiters) and children, with their main residence in France or transiting through France to their main residence in a European Union country or equivalent country, or the country of which they are nationals.
I would interpret all of that as travelling to a main residence, I don't think the last part is saying 'anyone can travel to the country of their passport regardless of where they are resident'.European Union nationals or equivalents, as well as their partners (spouses, civil partners or cohabiters) and children, with their main residence in France or transiting through France to their main residence in a European Union country or equivalent country, or the country of which they are nationals.
ScotHill said:
Rushjob said:
You missed the bit at the end
European Union nationals or equivalents, as well as their partners (spouses, civil partners or cohabiters) and children, with their main residence in France or transiting through France to their main residence in a European Union country or equivalent country, or the country of which they are nationals.
I would interpret all of that as travelling to a main residence, I don't think the last part is saying 'anyone can travel to the country of their passport regardless of where they are resident'.European Union nationals or equivalents, as well as their partners (spouses, civil partners or cohabiters) and children, with their main residence in France or transiting through France to their main residence in a European Union country or equivalent country, or the country of which they are nationals.
If you are European Union nationals or equivalents, as well as their partners (spouses, civil partners or cohabiters) and children
AND
with their main residence in France
OR
transiting through France to their main residence in a European Union country or equivalent country
OR
the country of which they are nationals.
Rushjob said:
Actually it is, as that is a common right that has been upheld in the travel restrictions throughout the EU during Covid since day 1.
If you are European Union nationals or equivalents, as well as their partners (spouses, civil partners or cohabiters) and children
AND
with their main residence in France
OR
transiting through France to their main residence in a European Union country or equivalent country
OR
the country of which they are nationals.
It's ambiguous language.If you are European Union nationals or equivalents, as well as their partners (spouses, civil partners or cohabiters) and children
AND
with their main residence in France
OR
transiting through France to their main residence in a European Union country or equivalent country
OR
the country of which they are nationals.
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