Need to log travel plans before leaving UK
Discussion
King Herald said:
Is the Telegraph now the accepted organ of fact from the Government?
Has anybody got another real link to this impending Police State law?
I think the Telegraph are just the ones breaking this particular bit of news.Has anybody got another real link to this impending Police State law?
When I fill out the form it will say the following things:
Date of leaving the UK: Tomorrow
Date of return to the UK: Never
Reason for leaving: Requesting the above
I have no problems with them logging when I use my passport at the border, however, when I return is my business, when I leave is my business, and the reason I leave is my business.
tinman0 said:
King Herald said:
Is the Telegraph now the accepted organ of fact from the Government?
Has anybody got another real link to this impending Police State law?
I think the Telegraph are just the ones breaking this particular bit of news.Has anybody got another real link to this impending Police State law?
MentalSarcasm said:
"They will be expected to use the internet to send their details each time they leave the country and would face a fine of up to £5,000 should they fail to do so."
I would personally donate towards the legal costs of anyone that refused to pay the fine and insisted on being taken to court.
Hell I'd deliberately break the law and get fined myself for my day in court. It is none of their sodding business if I'm going to Nice, Amsterdam or Chicago!
I HATE THIS BLOODY GOVERNMENT!
Why thankyou. I might be needing your donations as I work abroad and travel each week. They can go fI would personally donate towards the legal costs of anyone that refused to pay the fine and insisted on being taken to court.
Hell I'd deliberately break the law and get fined myself for my day in court. It is none of their sodding business if I'm going to Nice, Amsterdam or Chicago!
I HATE THIS BLOODY GOVERNMENT!
k themselves if they think I'm doing this. We need a new Guy Fawkes and now.Yes I know he wasn't successful but humour me.
Reason for leaving UK: Smuggling drugs and the police are getting close on all those murders I did...
Do they think this sort of thing is going to be written down to make catching criminals easier?
As for trip destination, well if I can't change my mind on where I go then to me that is not being free, and the only reason to live a life without liberty is to fight for liberty itself IMO.
If they are going to fine me for returning to the UK and not declaring that I changed my mind during my trip and went to Italy instead of Spain for example, then it would be simpler (and £5000 cheaper) to not return to the UK...
Do they think this sort of thing is going to be written down to make catching criminals easier?
As for trip destination, well if I can't change my mind on where I go then to me that is not being free, and the only reason to live a life without liberty is to fight for liberty itself IMO.
If they are going to fine me for returning to the UK and not declaring that I changed my mind during my trip and went to Italy instead of Spain for example, then it would be simpler (and £5000 cheaper) to not return to the UK...
Bushmaster said:
It smacks of 'kite flying' to me: announce some completely outrageous piece of legislation, so that when a very slightly watered-down version is actually implemented, everyone goes, 'phew, it's not so bad'.
According to the Telegraph article it's being rolled out as of Easter, this Easter, not 2010 - not kite flying then.What happens if you don't actually know your travel plans
In the past this would of applied to me every single time i left the country for work as i was joining a ship and i didn't know when and where i would be getting off the ship.
So would they stop me leaving or give me a nice big fat tax sorry fine when i return
In the past this would of applied to me every single time i left the country for work as i was joining a ship and i didn't know when and where i would be getting off the ship.
So would they stop me leaving or give me a nice big fat tax sorry fine when i return
I was working in Manchester last Thursday. Driving along minding my own business I was suddenly halted by a police motorcycle, all the traffic behind me stopped and then came a barrage of about 20 motorbikes all surrounding a Range Rover. Inside that Range Rover was our wonderfull PM! Imagine my shock and suprise, I didn't believe it until I got home and checked the Manchester News to see his ugly face 'doing good things' for the people of Manchester. Anyways my point, this trip was not in the national press but the security he had was actually scary, certainly scared me, I would have loved to pic the blackberry up and film or photograph, well I didn't fancy eating porridge, because this state would assume my malice motives in a few mobile pics!!.
Just how utterly deluded is this idiot of a PM and his own crazy views on terrorism? FFS, scary scary times indeed, the man is a pyscho.
Just how utterly deluded is this idiot of a PM and his own crazy views on terrorism? FFS, scary scary times indeed, the man is a pyscho.
Edited by M3333 on Sunday 15th March 08:59
I was working in Manchester last Thursday. Driving along minding my own business I was suddenly halted by a police motorcycle, all the traffic behind me stopped and then came a barrage of about 20 motorbikes all surrounding a Range Rover. Inside that Range Rover was our wonderfull PM! Imagine my shock and suprise, I didn't believe it until I got home and checked the Manchester News to see his ugly face 'doing good things' for the people of Manchester. Anyways my point, this trip was not in the national press but the security he had was actually scary, certainly scared me, I would have loved to pic the blackberry up and film or photograph, well I didn't fancy eating porridge, because this state would assume my malice motives in a few mobile pics!!.
Just how utterly deluded is this idiot of a PM and his own crazy views on terrorism? FFS, scary scary times indeed, the man is a pyscho.
Just how utterly deluded is this idiot of a PM and his own crazy views on terrorism? FFS, scary scary times indeed, the man is a pyscho.
Edited by M3333 on Sunday 15th March 09:02
The e-boarders project does exist: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/managingborders/...
It seems to me that you don't have to file travel plans as such, unless you're arranging the mode of transport yourself (using your own boat or plane, etc.). Basically every passport going through passport control will be logged, and this will be tied in to the destination of the aircraft you're boarding. There will be some clever data mining done on the stuff collected to try and spot "suspicious" patterns, in the hope that they'll pick up people heading off to training camps abroad before coming back here. Quite how this is supposed to work I've no idea, but I'm sure they've got clever people looking into it.
However, it's easy to get around - fly to somewhere else in Europe, change airlines and then head to wherever you really wanted to go. The UK will no longer know, and the system is useless.
More detail is available here: http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?...
It seems to me that you don't have to file travel plans as such, unless you're arranging the mode of transport yourself (using your own boat or plane, etc.). Basically every passport going through passport control will be logged, and this will be tied in to the destination of the aircraft you're boarding. There will be some clever data mining done on the stuff collected to try and spot "suspicious" patterns, in the hope that they'll pick up people heading off to training camps abroad before coming back here. Quite how this is supposed to work I've no idea, but I'm sure they've got clever people looking into it.
However, it's easy to get around - fly to somewhere else in Europe, change airlines and then head to wherever you really wanted to go. The UK will no longer know, and the system is useless.
More detail is available here: http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?...
M3333 said:
I was working in Manchester last Thursday. Driving along minding my own business I was suddenly halted by a police motorcycle, all the traffic behind me stopped and then came a barrage of about 20 motorbikes all surrounding a Range Rover. Inside that Range Rover was our wonderfull PM! Imagine my shock and suprise, I didn't believe it until I got home and checked the Manchester News to see his ugly face 'doing good things' for the people of Manchester. Anyways my point, this trip was not in the national press but the security he had was actually scary, certainly scared me, I would have loved to pic the blackberry up and film or photograph, well I didn't fancy eating porridge, because this state would assume my malice motives in a few mobile pics!!.
Just how utterly deluded is this idiot of a PM and his own crazy views on terrorism? FFS, scary scary times indeed, the man is a pyscho.
I am beginning to be suspicious of the motives behind the 'homecoming parades' such as the infamous one in Luton and others elsewhere. I fully support the forces in their activities, the men and women are indeed brave (if not always actual heroes), but the Iraq war itself is another matter. I suspect, cynic that I am becoming, that HMG/G.Brown is hoping that the not unnatural patriotism that many feel towards the armed forces will, somehow, be confused with support for the miltary ambitions of the government. A sort of latter-day Falklands effect. It's fine for a regiment from Aldershot, say, to be welcomed back by the locals, but why Luton? Is Luton a garrison town? I didn't think so - maybe I'm wrong. Under this lot I smell bandwagon politics everywhere.Just how utterly deluded is this idiot of a PM and his own crazy views on terrorism? FFS, scary scary times indeed, the man is a pyscho.
Edited by M3333 on Sunday 15th March 09:02
Seriously chaps, please go to http://www.writetothem.com
its take 15 mins to write a quick note that will be delivered to your MP. Make them aware of your concerns about the erosion of civil liberties in the UK and you will never vote for a party that supports the ID cards scheme, the proliferation of government and council CCTV, e-borders, ANY system of vehicle taxation that uses GPS installed in cars and can double as a vehicle tracking tool.
Freedom of movement, speech and the right to privacy are the absolute backbone of a "free" society.
We are very very rapidly losing the first, privacy is virtually gone now.
All in the name of protecting us from "terrorists".
its take 15 mins to write a quick note that will be delivered to your MP. Make them aware of your concerns about the erosion of civil liberties in the UK and you will never vote for a party that supports the ID cards scheme, the proliferation of government and council CCTV, e-borders, ANY system of vehicle taxation that uses GPS installed in cars and can double as a vehicle tracking tool.
Freedom of movement, speech and the right to privacy are the absolute backbone of a "free" society.
We are very very rapidly losing the first, privacy is virtually gone now.
All in the name of protecting us from "terrorists".
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