Haunted by a child? Thoughts?

[carrottop]

Rawwr said:

V6Pushfit said:

Why would you believe they think rationally or are able to be being captured with film or photograph? You're thinking on a 'current science' basis and this is way beyond that. Unfortunate to say, but you're being a bit blinkered.

Are ghosts/spirits/woo able to think? Do they have sentience? If they're able to think and have sentience, why are they wandering around moving office furniture and blowing on elbows? Why would they want to hide from any device capable of proving their existence? If they are capable of hiding or not appearing in photos or on film, then are all purported photos and videos of them redundant? Are they conscious of recording media and have to make an effort to hide from it or is it something else?

In all likelihood these things are beyond explanation within the confines of our comprehension. e.g. explain the colour blue to me.

[SpeckledJim]

V6Pushfit said:

SpeckledJim said:

Yes. Nobody who believes in ghosts is horrified by the idea that they exist.

Everyone who believes in ghosts does so because they think the idea is exciting and fun. And because it hints at an afterlife, for which there is a similar abject lack of evidence. You believe solely because you want to believe.

What has happened to me, others I know and many posters on here isn’t seen as ‘fun’. The only difference between us and you is that it hasn’t happened to you, for whatever reason. If it did you would also be wondering what it’s all about and that current human knowledge provides no answers.

So before these events, you were adamant that there were no ghosts, because there was no evidence. The obvious default position. Then you experienced something which changed your mind.

And now, despite there being zero evidence before your experience, you think your original evidence-based position was wrong, because you know what you saw/felt and you aren't mistaken. The new obvious default position.

That's more likely, in the cold light of day, than a simple human mistake?

How could we ever know that the same events haven't happened to me, and I wrote it off as a senior moment?

[Bill]

V6Pushfit said:

What has happened to me, others I know and many posters on here isn’t seen as ‘fun’. The only difference between us and you is that it hasn’t happened to you, for whatever reason. If it did you would also be wondering what it’s all about and that current human knowledge provides no answers.

You believe in ghosts (or whatever) so attribute your odd experiences to the supernatural, but plenty of other people have similar experiences.

[Front bottom]

Bill said:

V6Pushfit said:

What has happened to me, others I know and many posters on here isn’t seen as ‘fun’. The only difference between us and you is that it hasn’t happened to you, for whatever reason. If it did you would also be wondering what it’s all about and that current human knowledge provides no answers.

You believe in ghosts (or whatever) so attribute your odd experiences to the supernatural, but plenty of other people have similar experiences.

What does it matter?

I hope others contribute an experience or two. They have been great to read.

[SpeckledJim]

carrottop said:

Rawwr said:

V6Pushfit said:

Why would you believe they think rationally or are able to be being captured with film or photograph? You're thinking on a 'current science' basis and this is way beyond that. Unfortunate to say, but you're being a bit blinkered.

Are ghosts/spirits/woo able to think? Do they have sentience? If they're able to think and have sentience, why are they wandering around moving office furniture and blowing on elbows? Why would they want to hide from any device capable of proving their existence? If they are capable of hiding or not appearing in photos or on film, then are all purported photos and videos of them redundant? Are they conscious of recording media and have to make an effort to hide from it or is it something else?

In all likelihood these things are beyond explanation within the confines of our comprehension. e.g. explain the colour blue to me.

Eh? The colour blue has a very tight technical definition. We know EXACTLY what blue is.

That's possibly the rubbishest example you have could come up with for your argument.

If you want 'beyond explanation' try something like 'what substance can reflect or emanate visible light, yet appear and disappear into nothing.'

That's a good one. Because the answer is 'none'.

[carrottop]

SpeckledJim said:

carrottop said:

Rawwr said:

V6Pushfit said:

Why would you believe they think rationally or are able to be being captured with film or photograph? You're thinking on a 'current science' basis and this is way beyond that. Unfortunate to say, but you're being a bit blinkered.

Are ghosts/spirits/woo able to think? Do they have sentience? If they're able to think and have sentience, why are they wandering around moving office furniture and blowing on elbows? Why would they want to hide from any device capable of proving their existence? If they are capable of hiding or not appearing in photos or on film, then are all purported photos and videos of them redundant? Are they conscious of recording media and have to make an effort to hide from it or is it something else?

In all likelihood these things are beyond explanation within the confines of our comprehension. e.g. explain the colour blue to me.

Eh? The colour blue has a very tight technical definition. We know EXACTLY what blue is.

That's possibly the rubbishest example you have could come up with for your argument.

If you want 'beyond explanation' try something like 'what substance can reflect or emanate visible light, yet appear and disappear into nothing.'

That's a good one. Because the answer is 'none'.

I repeat; explain the colour blue to me

[SpeckledJim]

carrottop said:

SpeckledJim said:

carrottop said:

Rawwr said:

V6Pushfit said:

Why would you believe they think rationally or are able to be being captured with film or photograph? You're thinking on a 'current science' basis and this is way beyond that. Unfortunate to say, but you're being a bit blinkered.

Are ghosts/spirits/woo able to think? Do they have sentience? If they're able to think and have sentience, why are they wandering around moving office furniture and blowing on elbows? Why would they want to hide from any device capable of proving their existence? If they are capable of hiding or not appearing in photos or on film, then are all purported photos and videos of them redundant? Are they conscious of recording media and have to make an effort to hide from it or is it something else?

In all likelihood these things are beyond explanation within the confines of our comprehension. e.g. explain the colour blue to me.

Eh? The colour blue has a very tight technical definition. We know EXACTLY what blue is.

That's possibly the rubbishest example you have could come up with for your argument.

If you want 'beyond explanation' try something like 'what substance can reflect or emanate visible light, yet appear and disappear into nothing.'

That's a good one. Because the answer is 'none'.

I repeat; explain the colour blue to me

You're on a hiding to nothing with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue

Wiki said:

....The eye perceives blue when observing light with a dominant wavelength between approximately 450 and 495 nanometres....

Find some similar level of actual information about ghosts and the supernatural and you'd be getting somewhere near your point.

Why don't you explain blue ghosts? We know a lot about the light they must be emanating or reflecting (wiki told us), so just tell us a bit about how they do it. Light we know pretty much everything about, yet from a source we can't even detect, never mind investigate.

[carrottop]

SpeckledJim said:

carrottop said:

SpeckledJim said:

carrottop said:

Rawwr said:

V6Pushfit said:

Why would you believe they think rationally or are able to be being captured with film or photograph? You're thinking on a 'current science' basis and this is way beyond that. Unfortunate to say, but you're being a bit blinkered.

Are ghosts/spirits/woo able to think? Do they have sentience? If they're able to think and have sentience, why are they wandering around moving office furniture and blowing on elbows? Why would they want to hide from any device capable of proving their existence? If they are capable of hiding or not appearing in photos or on film, then are all purported photos and videos of them redundant? Are they conscious of recording media and have to make an effort to hide from it or is it something else?

In all likelihood these things are beyond explanation within the confines of our comprehension. e.g. explain the colour blue to me.

Eh? The colour blue has a very tight technical definition. We know EXACTLY what blue is.

That's possibly the rubbishest example you have could come up with for your argument.

If you want 'beyond explanation' try something like 'what substance can reflect or emanate visible light, yet appear and disappear into nothing.'

That's a good one. Because the answer is 'none'.

I repeat; explain the colour blue to me

You're on a hiding to nothing with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue

Wiki said:

....The eye perceives blue when observing light with a dominant wavelength between approximately 450 and 495 nanometres....

Find some similar level of actual information about ghosts and the supernatural and you'd be getting somewhere near your point.

Why don't you explain blue ghosts? We know a lot about the light they must be emanating or reflecting (wiki told us), so just tell us a bit about how they do it. Light we know pretty much everything about, yet from a source we can't even detect, never mind investigate.

Again I repeat, explain the colour blue to me

[Front bottom]

This subject really riles some. That's interesting in itself.

[SpeckledJim]

carrottop said:

Again I repeat, explain the colour blue to me

What more do you want to know, apart from what is in that long wiki?

My experience of blue? Doesn't matter. If my experience of blue is different to what we know about blue, then that's my mistake. Maybe I'm colour-blind.

[liner33]

Front bottom said:

This subject really riles some. That's interesting in itself.

It certainly seems to rile those who have no experience of them , dunno why fear perhaps.

Also don't know what those that don't believe hope to achieve by arguing and posting random links to back up their opinions.

[SpeckledJim]

liner33 said:

Front bottom said:

This subject really riles some. That's interesting in itself.

It certainly seems to rile those who have no experience of them , dunno why fear perhaps.

Also don't know what those that don't believe hope to achieve by arguing and posting random links to back up their opinions.

Because it doesn't have to be ghosts, if you post something mental on the internet, people are going to argue with you.

[liner33]

SpeckledJim said:

Because it doesn't have to be ghosts, if you post something mental on the internet, people are going to argue with you.

So its a case of this ?



What do you hope to achieve ? Do you think that by posting a few links we will say , "Ah ok I'm obviously mental ?"

[SpeckledJim]

liner33 said:

SpeckledJim said:

Because it doesn't have to be ghosts, if you post something mental on the internet, people are going to argue with you.

So its a case of this ?



What do you hope to achieve ? Do you think that by posting a few links we will say , "Ah ok I'm obviously mental ?"

Maybe? Surely that's a possibility?

Or not?

Just about everyone in this thread who says there's no ghosts has allowed a lot for human error, and accepted their own fallibility.

But everyone who believes in ghosts says 'I know what I saw. It's no mistake of mine".

[TwigtheWonderkid]

V6Pushfit said:

What has happened to me, others I know and many posters on here isn’t seen as ‘fun’. The only difference between us and you is that it hasn’t happened to you, for whatever reason. If it did you would also be wondering what it’s all about and that current human knowledge provides no answers.

But what happened to you is perfectly explainable within current human knowledge. You just don't want those explanations to be true, because you want to think something special happened to you, not something humdrum.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

SpeckledJim said:

V6Pushfit said:

SpeckledJim said:

Yes. Nobody who believes in ghosts is horrified by the idea that they exist.

Everyone who believes in ghosts does so because they think the idea is exciting and fun. And because it hints at an afterlife, for which there is a similar abject lack of evidence. You believe solely because you want to believe.

What has happened to me, others I know and many posters on here isn’t seen as ‘fun’. The only difference between us and you is that it hasn’t happened to you, for whatever reason. If it did you would also be wondering what it’s all about and that current human knowledge provides no answers.

So before these events, you were adamant that there were no ghosts, because there was no evidence. The obvious default position. Then you experienced something which changed your mind.

I bet that's not true. Everyone I know who believes in ghosts believed in them before they experienced them. Hence why, when they had an experience, they were so keen to assume ghosts. As said, I bet your average brain tumour specialist, when seeing a vision, thinks "I'd better check in for an MRI", before they leap to ghosts.

Ghosts seem to be strangely drawn to people who lack any critical thinking skills.

[Front bottom]

I've had an MRI, a few years ago. Not the easiest things to get referred for. No tumour detected there.

I wonder if it would have picked up on the 'critical thinking' skills you mention so much. Have you had one?

Just messing.

[Bill]

Front bottom said:

What does it matter?

I hope others contribute an experience or two. They have been great to read.

It doesn't matter at all. This is a discussion forum and I find this kind of thing interesting.

[Rawwr]

liner33 said:

So its a case of this ?



What do you hope to achieve ? Do you think that by posting a few links we will say , "Ah ok I'm obviously mental ?"

Just admitting there's a strong possibility you're mental would be a keen start.

[anonymous-user]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

You just don't want those explanations to be true, because you want to think something special happened to you, not something humdrum.

You’re the special one.

You do critical thinking

No one else does, they can’t. Thats why you know you’re right. You did critical thinking and told yourself so.

Edited by V6Pushfit on Wednesday 1st November 18:18