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Scabutz said:
Near me there is an old biddies walking group. They meet up and go for a walk, lovely. But some self appointed leaders take it upon themselves to wear hi viz. Why? Because important.
Because it identifies the group leader. what is the issue?
When I worked, half my boot was full of PPE, orange for British Rail and some quarry sites, yellow for most other sites. When I went on military sites the guards usally had hi vis jackets on as did the lead and last soldier in a squadron moving on roads. Does that mean we are all walts?
Drumroll said:
Scabutz said:
Near me there is an old biddies walking group. They meet up and go for a walk, lovely. But some self appointed leaders take it upon themselves to wear hi viz. Why? Because important.
Because it identifies the group leader. what is the issue?
When I worked, half my boot was full of PPE, orange for British Rail and some quarry sites, yellow for most other sites. When I went on military sites the guards usally had hi vis jackets on as did the lead and last soldier in a squadron moving on roads. Does that mean we are all walts?
Slowly shuffling along a footpath in broad daylight, miles from any sort of danger doesn't need a hi viz
r3g said:
I was a bit saddened to see a school outing in the countryside recently. No sure how old the kids were but I'd take a guess at maybe 10 years old. A long line of about 50 kids all wearing oversized yellow hi-viz vests and 4 or 5 teachers with same. Middle of nowhere, just walking along a moorland path to somewhere with no danger for miles in any direction 
. My parents would have rolled their eyes too if they'd seen me wearing one of those back in the 70s/80s. Totally ridiculous.
10 year old walking along moorland in winter? No danger for miles in any direction? I think they're conflicting statements. . My parents would have rolled their eyes too if they'd seen me wearing one of those back in the 70s/80s. Totally ridiculous.Nothing better trying to find a lost/injured Walt on a hill, dressed in DPM, with no hi vis, no signalling torch and limited battery on their phone.
Scabutz said:
So in quarries, on the railways, and military sites where its important to know who is leading and who is in charge is the same as a group of old people walking the streets of Milton Keynes? The streets being segregated footpaths no where near the road. No I don't think your are walts and think a visible identification in those scenarios is valid.
Slowly shuffling along a footpath in broad daylight, miles from any sort of danger doesn't need a hi viz
So how do you know they aren't going for a long walk that may involve walking along country roads with no footpath. Slowly shuffling along a footpath in broad daylight, miles from any sort of danger doesn't need a hi viz
What is the problem in any case?
Drumroll said:
Because it identifies the group leader. what is the issue?
When I worked, half my boot was full of PPE, orange for British Rail and some quarry sites, yellow for most other sites. When I went on military sites the guards usally had hi vis jackets on as did the lead and last soldier in a squadron moving on roads. Does that mean we are all walts?
Is there a reason why railway Hi-Viz is orange compared with regular yellow Hi-Viz.
r3g said:
I was a bit saddened to see a school outing in the countryside recently. No sure how old the kids were but I'd take a guess at maybe 10 years old. A long line of about 50 kids all wearing oversized yellow hi-viz vests and 4 or 5 teachers with same. Middle of nowhere, just walking along a moorland path to somewhere with no danger for miles in any direction . My parents would have rolled their eyes too if they'd seen me wearing one of those back in the 70s/80s. Totally ridiculous.
The danger, in this case, is one or two wandering off and getting lost. Wearing hi-vis makes it a lot easier to spot them later. Any eye-rolling about what you saw should be aimed in your direction, not theirs.. My parents would have rolled their eyes too if they'd seen me wearing one of those back in the 70s/80s. Totally ridiculous.Wildcat45 said:
Drumroll said:
Because it identifies the group leader. what is the issue?
When I worked, half my boot was full of PPE, orange for British Rail and some quarry sites, yellow for most other sites. When I went on military sites the guards usally had hi vis jackets on as did the lead and last soldier in a squadron moving on roads. Does that mean we are all walts?
Is there a reason why railway Hi-Viz is orange compared with regular yellow Hi-Viz.
Wildcat45 said:
Drumroll said:
Because it identifies the group leader. what is the issue?
When I worked, half my boot was full of PPE, orange for British Rail and some quarry sites, yellow for most other sites. When I went on military sites the guards usally had hi vis jackets on as did the lead and last soldier in a squadron moving on roads. Does that mean we are all walts?
Is there a reason why railway Hi-Viz is orange compared with regular yellow Hi-Viz.
Normally I’m in agreement with the comments regarding ‘High Viz Civilians’ however my wife & her friends all walk dogs every morning near us.
They wear high viz vests at this time of year as it’s dark and they do a bit of lanes between fields.
Same on horses.
But this is obviously a bid to not get run over rather than a self important thing.
They wear high viz vests at this time of year as it’s dark and they do a bit of lanes between fields.
Same on horses.
But this is obviously a bid to not get run over rather than a self important thing.
mikey_b said:
The danger, in this case, is one or two wandering off and getting lost. Wearing hi-vis makes it a lot easier to spot them later. Any eye-rolling about what you saw should be aimed in your direction, not theirs.
It was a fenced bridleway kinda thing - there was literally nowhere else for them to go except along the path. There was no danger whatsoever of them running off somewhere, especially not with 5 staff funnelling them along from front and back. Totally ridiculous. School outings managed just fine in the 70s, 80, 90s and 00s (and no doubt well before too) until nanny state took over. Did you read in the newspapers about hordes of children going missing from school trips? No. Because it didn't happen.Stick Legs said:
Normally I’m in agreement with the comments regarding ‘High Viz Civilians’ however my wife & her friends all walk dogs every morning near us.
They wear high viz vests at this time of year as it’s dark and they do a bit of lanes between fields.
Same on horses.
But this is obviously a bid to not get run over rather than a self important thing.
I quite enjoy the 'Polite Horse' regalia though They wear high viz vests at this time of year as it’s dark and they do a bit of lanes between fields.
Same on horses.
But this is obviously a bid to not get run over rather than a self important thing.
r3g said:
It was a fenced bridleway kinda thing - there was literally nowhere else for them to go except along the path. There was no danger whatsoever of them running off somewhere, especially not with 5 staff funnelling them along from front and back. Totally ridiculous. School outings managed just fine in the 70s, 80, 90s and 00s (and no doubt well before too) until nanny state took over. Did you read in the newspapers about hordes of children going missing from school trips? No. Because it didn't happen.
At the point you saw them. Do you know all the route they took?Besides most schools now have a policy that when the children are in "public areas" they wear Hi vis tabard.
Again what is the problem with it?
Drumroll said:
At the point you saw them. Do you know all the route they took?
Besides most schools now have a policy that when the children are in "public areas" they wear Hi vis tabard.
Again what is the problem with it?
Well, based on where the minibuses were parked, yes.Besides most schools now have a policy that when the children are in "public areas" they wear Hi vis tabard.
Again what is the problem with it?
The problem is that the Walt-ism is getting everywhere. Now you've got school Heads being Walts and forcing their Walt tendencies onto the children to make them look important when nobody cares. The hi-viz has become a status symbol of perceived importance and 'look at me' attention-seeking when just doing normal life stuff, to the point where actual dangerous situations where they would be of benefit to make you stand out are now a waste of time because you are surrounded by 1000 other people also wearing them who are in no danger whatsoever, so everyone gets ignored.
It's at the point now where you'd be more visible if you weren't wearing one
Some years ago I was on the committee organising a motorsport event, and we needed a different colour hi vis so people could identify us (mostly to ask questions like wheres the nearest toilet!). My wife, being that way inclined, suggested we go for pink, which we did. There may have been one or two people who really didn't want to wear that and swapped back into yellow at every opportunity.
My pink one is still in the boot of the car waiting for an opportunity to really confuse people.
My pink one is still in the boot of the car waiting for an opportunity to really confuse people.
r3g said:
Well, based on where the minibuses were parked, yes.
The problem is that the Walt-ism is getting everywhere. Now you've got school Heads being Walts and forcing their Walt tendencies onto the children to make them look important when nobody cares. The hi-viz has become a status symbol of perceived importance and 'look at me' attention-seeking when just doing normal life stuff, to the point where actual dangerous situations where they would be of benefit to make you stand out are now a waste of time because you are surrounded by 1000 other people also wearing them who are in no danger whatsoever, so everyone gets ignored.
It's at the point now where you'd be more visible if you weren't wearing one
Obviously your perception of risk and risk control are different to mine. The problem is that the Walt-ism is getting everywhere. Now you've got school Heads being Walts and forcing their Walt tendencies onto the children to make them look important when nobody cares. The hi-viz has become a status symbol of perceived importance and 'look at me' attention-seeking when just doing normal life stuff, to the point where actual dangerous situations where they would be of benefit to make you stand out are now a waste of time because you are surrounded by 1000 other people also wearing them who are in no danger whatsoever, so everyone gets ignored.
It's at the point now where you'd be more visible if you weren't wearing one
A mate of mine who commutes all year round by motorbike wears pink high viz.
He says it is noticeable how much nicer people are to you in pink high viz rather than orange or yellow.
He started after he was dangerously cut up by a van after the same van gave his wife (in pink) a wide berth.
It would appear sexism cuts both ways:
Pink, possibly a female rider.
‘Good sexism’ = I’ll be kind & give her more room.
‘Bad sexism’ = Silly cow will probably do something stupid.
Either way, more space & consideration.
He says it is noticeable how much nicer people are to you in pink high viz rather than orange or yellow.
He started after he was dangerously cut up by a van after the same van gave his wife (in pink) a wide berth.
It would appear sexism cuts both ways:
Pink, possibly a female rider.
‘Good sexism’ = I’ll be kind & give her more room.
‘Bad sexism’ = Silly cow will probably do something stupid.
Either way, more space & consideration.
matchmaker said:
Wildcat45 said:
Drumroll said:
Because it identifies the group leader. what is the issue?
When I worked, half my boot was full of PPE, orange for British Rail and some quarry sites, yellow for most other sites. When I went on military sites the guards usally had hi vis jackets on as did the lead and last soldier in a squadron moving on roads. Does that mean we are all walts?
Is there a reason why railway Hi-Viz is orange compared with regular yellow Hi-Viz.
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