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shtu said:
Going back a bit, I notice Yosemite Sam hasn't responded to this, preferring instead to indulge in yet more MERKA! trollage. Even without checking news sources I recalled that your statement was bull, iirc the courts were opened next day and went into overdrive to make sure they threw the book at anybody found to have been involved.
5oh, any comment on why you chose to peddle this untruth?
I suspect he believes it wholeheartedly - it fits in with his world view/prejudices/biases (we all have them) so he believes it. When facts come along to question it, they are either ignored or dismissed as lies/falsifications. 5oh, any comment on why you chose to peddle this untruth?
He fits the evidence around his theory, he doesn't change the theory to reflect the evidence.
Simple and effective methodology and works well for people like 5oh and Trump (as a more high profile example) right now - so there is no reason to change,
Vocal Minority said:
shtu said:
Going back a bit, I notice Yosemite Sam hasn't responded to this, preferring instead to indulge in yet more MERKA! trollage. Even without checking news sources I recalled that your statement was bull, iirc the courts were opened next day and went into overdrive to make sure they threw the book at anybody found to have been involved.
5oh, any comment on why you chose to peddle this untruth?
I suspect he believes it wholeheartedly - it fits in with his world view/prejudices/biases (we all have them) so he believes it. When facts come along to question it, they are either ignored or dismissed as lies/falsifications. 5oh, any comment on why you chose to peddle this untruth?
He fits the evidence around his theory, he doesn't change the theory to reflect the evidence.
Simple and effective methodology and works well for people like 5oh and Trump (as a more high profile example) right now - so there is no reason to change,
The Americans and us have a different culture, we are taught and shown different things. We can only judge them on what they know, not what we know.
Very briefly, an equivalent is the way we treat children in the UK. We don't hit them now. It's only a recent thing. and recently unemployment for 18-25 is rising, behavioural standards in schools are dropping, and attainment in certain sectors is dropping. Yet we force ourselves not to see any correlation. It is impossible for me to argue we should hit them, because I think we shouldn't. But I also know I think this because I am told to by our society.
Conversely, I am 32, was never hit as a child, and have a decent career.
Same goes for The majority of my contemporaries.
I would say you are coming at it from your own doctrine of 'grrr bloody young people'. The attitude that the older generation universally adopts and has since the dawn of time - is that the generation after there's is totally feckless.
Is behaviour in schools any worse? I have several teacher friends and none of them believe that.
Also you don't think that a wide scale battening down of hatches in companies has rather frustrated unemployment at an entry level.
We want to hire grads. We need grads where I work, Can we get clearance for it from higher up in the company for them? Can we hell! Seriously, the legacy of 2008 lingers and lingers and lingers,
The problems causing those symptoms are rather more immediate than no corporal punishment.
Same goes for The majority of my contemporaries.
I would say you are coming at it from your own doctrine of 'grrr bloody young people'. The attitude that the older generation universally adopts and has since the dawn of time - is that the generation after there's is totally feckless.
Is behaviour in schools any worse? I have several teacher friends and none of them believe that.
Also you don't think that a wide scale battening down of hatches in companies has rather frustrated unemployment at an entry level.
We want to hire grads. We need grads where I work, Can we get clearance for it from higher up in the company for them? Can we hell! Seriously, the legacy of 2008 lingers and lingers and lingers,
The problems causing those symptoms are rather more immediate than no corporal punishment.
Schmunk there is a small gm key under the mustang key.
Blib, no that is definitely not the case for gun owners. You must be stressed by the look of such ghastly black evil gun. I feel for you.
Mtech535 I carry a multi tool in each of my vehicles. Same with the knife. All my pockets will be full with the above unless I have my motorcycle jacket on. I'm usually close to my vehicle to access is not an issue. If I'm going exploring, hiking etc that I'll take a bag tailored for the activity.
Blib #blackgunsmatter
Battered, you have a hell of a better chance to escape and disappear if that ever did happen again. Hitler disarmed the German populace to make them defenceless and his reason was for "the greater good."
You don't have to worry about Nazis anymore, the British Caliphate has much bigger problems from within than an invading force/standing army.
Purpleaki, luckily I do not have to worry about marmite being the next flashpoint for global thermonuclear war.
Shtu, where is the source?
Blib, no that is definitely not the case for gun owners. You must be stressed by the look of such ghastly black evil gun. I feel for you.
Mtech535 I carry a multi tool in each of my vehicles. Same with the knife. All my pockets will be full with the above unless I have my motorcycle jacket on. I'm usually close to my vehicle to access is not an issue. If I'm going exploring, hiking etc that I'll take a bag tailored for the activity.
Blib #blackgunsmatter
Battered, you have a hell of a better chance to escape and disappear if that ever did happen again. Hitler disarmed the German populace to make them defenceless and his reason was for "the greater good."
You don't have to worry about Nazis anymore, the British Caliphate has much bigger problems from within than an invading force/standing army.
Purpleaki, luckily I do not have to worry about marmite being the next flashpoint for global thermonuclear war.
Shtu, where is the source?
5ohmustang said:
Battered, you have a hell of a better chance to escape and disappear if that ever did happen again. Hitler disarmed the German populace to make them defenceless and his reason was for "the greater good."
Sure. Meanwhile, in the last 70 years, how many times have people in Britain had to "escape and disappear" with the aid of a gun? Meanwhile, how many gun fatalities have we had pa in the UK?Compare these figures with the USA, where people can arm bears, and the gun crime rates are...ooh, let's see, are they worse or better per capita than the UK?
You pay a heavy price for your "freedom".
5ohmustang said:
the British Caliphate has much bigger problems from within than an invading force/standing army.
Absolute b
ks, but keep telling yourself it is true if it makes you feel all warm and snuggly about de-camping to become the oldest PFC in an army that is more dangerous to its allies than its foe.battered said:
Sure. Meanwhile, in the last 70 years, how many times have people in Britain had to "escape and disappear" with the aid of a gun? Meanwhile, how many gun fatalities have we had pa in the UK?
Compare these figures with the USA, where people can arm bears, and the gun crime rates are...ooh, let's see, are they worse or better per capita than the UK?
You pay a heavy price for your "freedom".
Take your fake anti gun propaganda to the news and politics section. I'm not wasting my freedom on your nonsense. Next.Compare these figures with the USA, where people can arm bears, and the gun crime rates are...ooh, let's see, are they worse or better per capita than the UK?
You pay a heavy price for your "freedom".
5ohmustang said:
Take your fake anti gun propaganda to the news and politics section. I'm not wasting my freedom on your nonsense. Next.
This is a literally meaningless contribution. It makes, genuinely, absolutely no sense. It's like you've used some sort of generator that puts words in grammatical order, but without caring for context.
iphonedyou said:
This is a literally meaningless contribution. It makes, genuinely, absolutely no sense. It's like you've used some sort of generator that puts words in grammatical order, but without caring for context.
That's not your fault. I don't hold it against you. The Queen's English is becoming a thing of the past thanks to the EU. Sorry I ment to say the British Government, however since they loaned y'all out to the EU's control with failed immigration policies and embracement of multiculturalism, I guess English is decreasing as the nation's primary language.On a positive note Brexit is going through and Britain will be Great Britain again.
Are you really sure you want to bring politics here again?
5ohmustang said:
That's not your fault. I don't hold it against you. The Queen's English is becoming a thing of the past thanks to the EU. Sorry I ment to say the British Government, however since they loaned y'all out to the EU's control with failed immigration policies and embracement of multiculturalism, I guess English is decreasing as the nation's primary language.
On a positive note Brexit is going through and Britain will be Great Britain again.
Are you really sure you want to bring politics here again?
Queen's English.On a positive note Brexit is going through and Britain will be Great Britain again.
Are you really sure you want to bring politics here again?
Ment.
Y'all.
battered said:
Sure. Meanwhile, in the last 70 years, how many times have people in Britain had to "escape and disappear" with the aid of a gun? Meanwhile, how many gun fatalities have we had pa in the UK?
Compare these figures with the USA, where people can arm bears, and the gun crime rates are...ooh, let's see, are they worse or better per capita than the UK?
You pay a heavy price for your "freedom".
There is very little correlation between legal gun ownership and gun related crime. Comparisons are just made between the US and UK, because there happen to be more guns and more crimes using guns in the US. But that is only two data points. Latin America generally has restrictive gun laws but has far worse violent gun related crime than the United States. Europe generally has high levels of gun ownership and low levels of gun crime. I don't see anybody pointing to France or Germany and saying how crazy they are for allowing high levels of private gun ownership. I certainly don't see posts about how crazy the Czechs are for having even more liberal laws allowing people to legally walk around in public with a concealed handgun. Compare these figures with the USA, where people can arm bears, and the gun crime rates are...ooh, let's see, are they worse or better per capita than the UK?
You pay a heavy price for your "freedom".
The anti gun brigade is just a broken down record with the same guns = instant death in post after post. But it isn't even consistent - there are very high levels of shotgun ownership in the UK and relatively liberal shotgun laws. But it seems shotguns are "ok" guns but if you want to buy a rifle you are a crazed nutter.
creampuff said:
battered said:
Sure. Meanwhile, in the last 70 years, how many times have people in Britain had to "escape and disappear" with the aid of a gun? Meanwhile, how many gun fatalities have we had pa in the UK?
Compare these figures with the USA, where people can arm bears, and the gun crime rates are...ooh, let's see, are they worse or better per capita than the UK?
You pay a heavy price for your "freedom".
There is very little correlation between legal gun ownership and gun related crime. Comparisons are just made between the US and UK, because there happen to be more guns and more crimes using guns in the US. But that is only two data points. Latin America generally has restrictive gun laws but has far worse violent gun related crime than the United States. Europe generally has high levels of gun ownership and low levels of gun crime. I don't see anybody pointing to France or Germany and saying how crazy they are for allowing high levels of private gun ownership. I certainly don't see posts about how crazy the Czechs are for having even more liberal laws allowing people to legally walk around in public with a concealed handgun. Compare these figures with the USA, where people can arm bears, and the gun crime rates are...ooh, let's see, are they worse or better per capita than the UK?
You pay a heavy price for your "freedom".
The anti gun brigade is just a broken down record with the same guns = instant death in post after post. But it isn't even consistent - there are very high levels of shotgun ownership in the UK and relatively liberal shotgun laws. But it seems shotguns are "ok" guns but if you want to buy a rifle you are a crazed nutter.
As someone who has spent their life shooting most disciplines, surrounded by firearms what can be seen is that the people who are attracted to owning military style weaponry are weirdos with considerable social issues. And when pistols were permitted in the UK the pistol clubs were full of oddballs who liked to discuss the damage loads would do to people, in stark contrast to the sane subjects that rifle club members discussed. Pistol shooting tended to be very much low brow punters who got a boner from thinking they were Charles Bronson. As for the fully auto, military style weapon fanatics, just something wrong with them.
Gun weirdos always go for the military style kit. Funny that.
creampuff said:
There is very little correlation between legal gun ownership and gun related crime. Comparisons are just made between the US and UK, because there happen to be more guns and more crimes using guns in the US. But that is only two data points. Latin America generally has restrictive gun laws but has far worse violent gun related crime than the United States. Europe generally has high levels of gun ownership and low levels of gun crime. I don't see anybody pointing to France or Germany and saying how crazy they are for allowing high levels of private gun ownership. I certainly don't see posts about how crazy the Czechs are for having even more liberal laws allowing people to legally walk around in public with a concealed handgun.
The anti gun brigade is just a broken down record with the same guns = instant death in post after post. But it isn't even consistent - there are very high levels of shotgun ownership in the UK and relatively liberal shotgun laws. But it seems shotguns are "ok" guns but if you want to buy a rifle you are a crazed nutter.
The problem is over the last 30 years the government and media have invested millions into brainwashing the British citizen. It is so heavily reinforced the only way you are going to break the conditioning is to have hands on experience. The common response is "it's not so scary after all.". When the msm publishes fake news on gun crime consistently, people who are never around firearms do not know any better. It's more naivety than ignorance. It's just another disarmed country for the UN small arms treaty.The anti gun brigade is just a broken down record with the same guns = instant death in post after post. But it isn't even consistent - there are very high levels of shotgun ownership in the UK and relatively liberal shotgun laws. But it seems shotguns are "ok" guns but if you want to buy a rifle you are a crazed nutter.
Vocal Minority said:
Conversely, I am 32, was never hit as a child, and have a decent career.
Same goes for The majority of my contemporaries.
I would say you are coming at it from your own doctrine of 'grrr bloody young people'. The attitude that the older generation universally adopts and has since the dawn of time - is that the generation after there's is totally feckless.
Is behaviour in schools any worse? I have several teacher friends and none of them believe that.
Also you don't think that a wide scale battening down of hatches in companies has rather frustrated unemployment at an entry level.
We want to hire grads. We need grads where I work, Can we get clearance for it from higher up in the company for them? Can we hell! Seriously, the legacy of 2008 lingers and lingers and lingers,
The problems causing those symptoms are rather more immediate than no corporal punishment.
I think you have proven my pointSame goes for The majority of my contemporaries.
I would say you are coming at it from your own doctrine of 'grrr bloody young people'. The attitude that the older generation universally adopts and has since the dawn of time - is that the generation after there's is totally feckless.
Is behaviour in schools any worse? I have several teacher friends and none of them believe that.
Also you don't think that a wide scale battening down of hatches in companies has rather frustrated unemployment at an entry level.
We want to hire grads. We need grads where I work, Can we get clearance for it from higher up in the company for them? Can we hell! Seriously, the legacy of 2008 lingers and lingers and lingers,
The problems causing those symptoms are rather more immediate than no corporal punishment.
You are unable to stand back and look at our own situation from a wider perspective. Try looking at how the far east look at our children. But this matters not. The point is not what you think. That is irrelevant. it is being able to see what people from another culture would think.And yet you expect the Americans to be able to take our viewpoint on an issue?
Efbe said:
I think you have proven my point You are unable to stand back and look at our own situation from a wider perspective. Try looking at how the far east look at our children. But this matters not. The point is not what you think. That is irrelevant. it is being able to see what people from another culture would think.
And yet you expect the Americans to be able to take our viewpoint on an issue?
Luckily there are no Americans involved in this particular discussion. Just English and they seem to break down into two groups, the normal, well adjusted humans with a balanced perspective and then the lunatics who terrified of mooslamic rayguns, been brainwashed by extremist propaganda and have runaway to a third world part of another country where they are still scared and have to carry guns like a child with a blanky. You are unable to stand back and look at our own situation from a wider perspective. Try looking at how the far east look at our children. But this matters not. The point is not what you think. That is irrelevant. it is being able to see what people from another culture would think.And yet you expect the Americans to be able to take our viewpoint on an issue?
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